Anyone own a Pioneer Exclusive P3 ??


wondering if any one has heard one and how competitive it is to today's 10k tables

http://www.thevintageknob.org/PIONEER/P3/P3.html#
downunder

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Lewm et all,
I must appolagize for the apparent misleading nature of my prior post. My laundry list of tables wasn't a list of tables I own. It was merely a list of those that intrigue/tempt me. I currently own a mk2 and a mk3, both rebuilt and mounted in Albert Porter's new double arm panzerholtz based plinths. I appear to be in the process of obtaining another mk3 and will likely sell the mk2 and it's original wenge plinth(The combiantion that led to the sale of Albert's Walker).
I potentially have room for a third table and love DDs. The P3 or the Denon DP 100 top my list for that spot(my wife would die if she knew I were even contemplating that at this point). The L-07D looks like a real winner and would have to be considered one of the biggest bargains of the group along with the mk2 which is nearly impossible to beat at anywhere near the price it goes for.
Lewm,
Another L07D? This must be a great table to buy a second, the one from Germany I assume. I have more than I can deal with even now but these classic direct drives are getting the best of me. L-07D, sp-10 mk3, P3, DP 100m, PS-X9. I'm in danger of becoming a TT collector as it seems you and T_bone already are. Oh well, you could own them all for less than the cost of some modern sota tables.
I think a mk3 done right is hard to beat but also costly. What's intriguing about these TT systems such as the P3, DP 100 and L-07D is the level of refinement for the dollar. You get a top notch motor and control system, a plinth with isolation, and a tonearm system all in one package. This is what makes the P3(and L-07D) so remarkable IMHO.
I saw the one on hifido as well. It's listed as a P3a but the front and back plate just say P3 unlike the picture of the other sold one which says P3a both places. Not that it makes much difference. They're close to the same and either way it's a great machine. Not sure the rubber mat is a huge deal. I think T_bone uses a cu-180 on his anyway.
Where do these P3s get checked out/rebuilt typically? I assume at their age they need some checkup, maintanance, and possibly cap/diode changes.
I'd be interested in hearing how the transaction with hifido goes. They seem like a good source for these.
Downunder,
What differences do you find between the P3 and P10. Often, a higher model number would indicate a more advanced design. That doesn't appear to be the case here(as in the sp-10 and sp-15).
What table do you listen to the most((AC-3, P3, P10)?
Downunder,
Thanks for the comparison. That's what I would have expected to hear. So, in a way your thread has come full circle and you've answered the initial question yourself.
Based on my experience, I agree. That's why I love my sp-10s and have an interest in all top DDs. Once they're properly isolated they seem to all behave quite similarly. That continousness and bass slam are due to the fact that there are no transients complex enough to slow these things down. In fact, if you forgot to dry brush the LP before start up go ahead and do it while playing. The table still won't back down. Legend has it that the mk3 held speed with a man standing on the platter.
Enjoy the P3. It's a gem. Maybe one day I'll end up with one(or the DP 100, PS-X9, or L-D07). Too many tables, too little space.