Anyone heard Cary 303/300 after 400 hours burn-in?


Has anyone had a positive experience with a correctly functioning Cary 303/300 CD player using high quality N.O.S. tubes, and after having used a high quality burn-in cd and music for a minimum and proper break-in period of 400 hours?

Has anyone had a positive experience with Cary's Technical and Service department in Apex, N.C.?

Has anyone had a positive experience with the 303/300 using the balanced outputs into a high end, non-budget balanced preamp (or directly) into a non-budget balanced amp and high end, non-budget speakers via high quality, non-budget intercnnects and cables?

Although some folks do not believe in modifications, has anyone had a positive experience with modifying a Cary 303/300 CD player?

There are always some folks that feel a certain piece of audio gear just does not suit their expectations, but, there are many variables with audio gear, when properly addressed, the very same gear may exceed the expectations of other Audiophiles.

I am looking for new friends to share your positive experiences with the Cary 303/300 CD player.
levchappy
i live 60 miles from apex n.c. and have owned many pieces of cary product.....i have owned their entry 300/100 with the sli 80 pre and 805 amps. i had some minor problems with the original 300, just a drawer problem, took it to them through the front door after calling, they told me to go to lunch and i came back and it was fixed. I never had a problem with either the pre or power, normal tube problems....i ended up with a 300/300 and used the stock tubes in everything all the time, i did not ever use any different tubes , although dennis had, owner , suggested tubes from the west coast big tube dealer..but i never did it. i love the build quality and the overall balanced sound of the cary equpment. i used them with vandersteen speakers, totem and some other good speakers and they always sounded balanced and musical. i don't use them now due to age and downsizing in equipment but i highly recommend their service dept and the build and sound of their product. it is pricey and there is alot out there....my first reason to buy was local service.....then i fell in love with the equipment and company....stay with the usa equipment....hope this may help although i didnt swap out tubes...i just didnt see any sense init...cary house tubes are excellent....
i forgot, i used kimber wire....
I own a 303/300 and find it to be a very fine player.

I am a tube guy, so I was somewhat surprised to find that I prefer the SS output to the tube output, despite having tried several flavors of NOS tubes.
Steidlguitars;

Thanks for the response. Radiotechniques work well with the unit. Great Northern Sound Company (GNSC) can make the unit totally incredible in the tube and solid state domains. Call Steve Huntley at GNSC 651-351-5355

For Tubes call Jim Sauter 563-381-2189 in mid afternoons.
I use one with stock tubes, stock version (unmodded).

A very fine, very flexible cd player, via RCA and XLR out.

Marty
I love my 303, use NOS Telefunken tubes and usually leave the upsampling off. I bought the CDP used, the previous owner had to change the transport and grumbled about the cost of the replacement part (he ordered the transport and had a local tech do the work). All in all I'm very happy with the Cary, highly recommended!

My system can be found here http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vdone&1106945005&view
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I like the Cary 303/300 CDP very much. Like Hack above this post, I've found that early Telefunkens, particularly smoothplates, work very well with it. Nice smoothness, clarity, and resolution.

I have a pair of Amperex '57 D angle-getter Bugle Boys coming in this week, and I'm curious about them.

I've also used RCA Cleartops and RCA Blackplates with very good results, the nod mostly going to the Cleartops but the blackplates are no slouch. So far the Teles rock my boat best...

No problems with the Cary 303/300 so far. Bought it from Kevin Deal, Upscaleaudio in CA. Kevin's the man. When he's in a good mood, he's the best to dialogue with about various audio topics. Very knowledgeable with a good sense of humor.

I've also learned that RCA vs XLR cables seem to make a difference, particularly mfgr choice and the type of these cables make a big difference. The power cable choice makes a big difference as well.

Generally speaking, I prefer the tube setting with a minimal upsampling for most recordings.

The build quality seems very robust.

:) listening,

Ed
I'm pleased to hear that others have had good success rolling tubes. In my Rogue amp and pre-amp, tube rolling has been effective and fun, but none of the 4-5 NOS flavors I've tried in the CDP (RCA clear tops, black plates, Mullards, and a few others) seemed to beat the SS side in my set-up.

Maybe I'm due for another pair of tubes ;-)

I've had no issues with the player at all, it's worked perfectly.
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My preamp needed to go to the doctor, so I setup the Cary 303/300 XLR'd directly to the MC352 and now use the volume control in the Cary.

Put in the '57 Bugle Boy 12au7s btw.

It's all Synergistic Research cabling: T2 PC to the CDP, T3 PC to the MC352, Accelerator IC XLRs from the Cary to the amp, and Accelerator SCs from the amp to the speakers.

I am completely surprised at the presence and musicality of this direct setup. I've set the volume control usually 45-58.

Any similar experiences or thoughts. I can't wait to get my preamp back and A-B the setup. Surprised me very much.

:) listening,

Ed
I love my Cary 300/300 but not with the stock tube,

I have roll several set of tube RCA MULLARD and

other brands and so far the sound is just no there. It is very important that you use high end cable with this unit. I have use it with Cardas Golden reference RCA and Nordost XLR. It took a long time for my unit to finally break in. I have notice that it sound better with a Cary Pre Amp, I used to have a CARY SLP-98 that I called my little sweet things I upgrade to the Cary SLP-05 that I call the beauty and the beast. I think that the Cary brand is 2nd to none.
CAD 120's Amp w/ Cardas caps, SLP98P pre. Never a problem with Cary customer service. Excellent sounding (tube) equipment out performing some gear costing lots more. You ought to hear what Lipinski L707 speakers sound like driven by Cary.
I love my Cary 303/300
Worked fine & sounds great since I bought it new a couple years ago. I prefer the SS section to the tube in my setup running direct into the amp. I've even tried the recommended NOS Radiotechniques tubes. Upsampling off all the time. The 3V output of the 303 thru it's RCA's is just right in my rig.
I find that some recordings sound better SS, some with tube buffer; some with upsampling, some without.
OK, Late to the game. I just acquired a Cary CD 300.
Sounds great hooked to my Marantz. Transitioning to my Fisher 800C or Sansui 1000A. Haven't completed the rebuild yet of the Sansui( Opinions welcome to both.)
I have very limited knowledge of the Cary CD 300 and would like to know how to run tube vs SS, as I'm still gathering manuals etc.
Sounds great so far after fixing a ground and a belt for the eject. I keep the top unscrewed to give it a nudge to open the CD drawer.
What are all the available configuration options with this player?? How to configure them. Sorry I'm a fledgling in the Audiophile world. 
The guy I acquired this from had amazing music and  had some left in and around His Collection of Audio components. Just wished I found them before most were gone. I know this is an old thread. Thanks for any guidance.  I have other Receivers and amps but am heading in the Legacy direction, not the 25K+ direction. 
Speaker_ Don't give me S- but CW DC9, Klipsch Heresy, MK's, NHT's and almost, maybe Klipsch K Horns. Working on that. ( I like my Jazz and Rock) Hassle me if you want I have thick skin and limited budget! :-)
Thanks
Ken
Cerwin Vega DX9's;  I hate spell check
Hey skibrain1 - go to Cary Audio website at top go to "Support" then "Product Support" and you can download owners manuals for any of their past or present models.  I'm still using my 303/300 although awhile back I had to change out the laser drive unit (did myself that I bought from Cary).  I can't be much help w/upsampling - I always use mine in SS mode w/upsampling off.  Enjoy! 
I owned both the 303/200 and the 303/300, and preferred the sound of the non tube 200, most likely because it used a true PCM1072 Mulitbit dac converter, instead of the 300's hybrid PCM1792 Delta Sigma/4 bit converter.
Also the 200 had a PMD-200 hdcd filter chip and for me it really stepped another notch again when it played hdcd discs.

Cheers George  
You're right George that is a great player however if I'm not mistaken it doesn't have the internal analog volume control which is why I like the 303/300.  I owned the 306/200 way back which had the same DAC which was great but stupidly sold it to try some other players.  Wish I still had it.  The 303/300 in SS mode direct into my Music Reference RM10 MKII is a bad ass simple setup.  If I didn't have this player I'd probably be using your lightspeed passive.
levchappy

pehare
You’re right George that is a great player however if I’m not mistaken it doesn’t have the internal analog volume control which is why I like the 303/300.

I was lucky as my total system gain allowed me to use the digital domain volume control of the 303/200 in the top 25% of full so there was no "bit stripping".
Otherwise the 303/200 was full up and I used my Lightspeed Attenuator passive pre.
I did a I/V (current to voltage) mod for it on diyaudio forums if your interested, took it to another level, as I think they all used the same i/v stage, it was a big hit with those that used it. I eventually stacked 3 of them in that thread for even better i/v conversion/sound.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/digital-line-level/227677-using-ad844.html

Cheers George
Just had a look at the internals of the 303/300  pehare , no analog volume there, it done in the digital, hope your using it at or above 75% of full otherwise you'll be "bit stripping" and loosing resolution, otherwise you'll have to get a Lightspeed!!!

http://mycollins.net/Cary-02.jpg

Cheers George


 
George I could swear I remember hearing or reading the 303/200 didn't have a volume control & I was told the 303/300 & 306/200 had analog volume controls but I'm not a tech person just a music lover.  Anyway at some point I'll have to do something else perhaps move into the 21st century with some kinda computer based rig.  Vinyl is not an option.  Or buy a newer reliable kick ass cd player & get your passive - just hate to lose the simplicity ie less wires & remote capability.
I was told the 303/300 & 306/200 had analog volume controls

I think? you can tell from my last link pic that the 303/300 doesn’t have analog vc. There are some reviews that say it has, but I think they got it wrong.

You can see from this pic for it to have analog vc it would have to go after the OPA2604 lp filter, but all there is a two transistor buffers, the valve stage and the muting relays before the output rca’s/xlrs’
http://mycollins.net/Cary-05.jpg

And the 200 definitely did have digital vc.

Cheers George
You are the Man, George!
good to read that you guys re-vived an older thread. Hopefully, Cary still offers parts/service for their cd/sacd players? 

Happy Listening!
skibrain1-

keep rocking those DX9 's for me. I owned CV from late 80's to mid 90's.
Excellent Rock speaker.

Happy Listening!