Anyone ever try to toe-out?

Wouldn’t toeing out cause the speaker closer to the wall have more reflections?  Toeing your speakers in helps reduce first reflections and vice versa.

If you have reflections so bad by one speaker that its causing the entire soundstage to shift, your best bet is buying some gik 244 or 242 panels

No need to apologize M6!  Not many audiofools out there to share the hobby with, hence this forum!

You could get a few panels from gik for $200 delivered and just use them in the corner where the speaker is.  
Also, I get the bad back thing.  Its easy to adjust toe.  Just lift the speaker up on one spike and spin, then put back down.  You can even walk a speaker around depending on which spike you rotate from.

I’m pretty sure I’m the one who suggested those Atc’s to you...  Thanks for taking my advice; good to see it doesn’t fall on deaf ears.  How are you liking them?

High frequencies of a speaker fall off when siting off axis.  If you toe your speskers out in a small room you are essentially cutting the high frequencies a bit and getting quite a bit of reflections which you might find pleasing.

I prefer to treat the room well with gik acoustic products in addition to having my setup in as ideal location as possible then at the end I apply room correction software.  Just using the software to take measurements has been very helpful in setting up my system to sound better just through speaker location and room treatments.  

My setup has an extremely solid center image and pretty decent depth.  I sacrificed some width in my soundstage in order to get a more focused center image with full, fleshed out, palpable vocals.

M6, thats how we all are. Once you really start getting somewhere soundwise it becomes even more fun to see how far you can take it.


Learning to be a more attentive listener and enjoying all kinds of music is how you really enjoy your stereo though.  Getting lost in the music is what makes everything else worth it.

What is your front end?  Amp, preamp, dac, source?

Those Atc’s are amazing snd will improve soundwise as you go further up the chain with your front end equipment.  Those ATC’s wouldn’t be out of place with $20k worth of gear driving them.

Nice!  That MF integrated is nice 👍

you put together a really nice setup for not too much $.  Granted its still a nice chunk of change but for what you have and what you have invested, you’ve got a nice setup.

Anyhow, enjoy and good luck getting her all dialed in!