I have seen rave reviews about the Ohm Walshs
Rave reviews also on
this list could go on forever.....
Some folks still believe Vintage speakers sound fantastic.
They really believe this. And you can not convince vintage is just that dated.
But then again, some vintage sound better than many modern high priced speakers.
I heard my tech geek's Auoustic reserach AR3's double stacked from the 70's. Running a Golden tube Amp and a conrad Johnson 12AT7/12AX7/12AU7 preamp.
He said he loved this sound, as it sounds like a jazz club type image, Agree.
Imprsssive, but after soe time with my classical there indded will be certain fq's that will grate my nerves aftera few days, = good but not cigar.
Is what i am trying to say.
They have that old paper cone resonances( = distortion sort of) hanging over upper bass/low mids that I just can't stand.
+ his room was 3x's the size of mine,
=- Not doable.
Vintage will never out shoota good WBer in midrange.
This is what i am trying to say.
But of course old vintangers love their paper cone woofer sound.
That is their cup of tea. Never mine.
I've since moved on to true hifi speakers.
Wow! Pope Mozart fan of the wideband.
I like Ohm in other folks set up. I've never owned them. I heard them with an Infinity set up in the 70s. It was their tweeter that was used. Pretty impressive both times. The second time was about 8-9 years ago in Sacramento..
Pleasant is what I walked away with. I never got tired of listening the whole evening from 7:00 to past midnight.. Everybody got to enjoy the music.
He had a pair of Jensen Imperial PR-100 setting in the next room. I really wanted to hear them too. :-)
Outlaw country western and Tex-Mex venue, he (the host) bought a pair of my 500rl/16cf bass bins. 30 x 40 room, lots of dancing that night..
All Ampzilla and Yamaha.. Solid stuff..
They kept up, 2 F series, 2 Walsh/Talls and 2 bass bins. Serious Boom Boom!!
My biggest dislike is the horrible build quality ,I helped a guy upgrade the Xover ,what pure garbage parts , even a electrolytic
capacitor which is a cardinal sin fir a Loudspeaker Xover .
and even the drivers all China specials , if you spend A few $hundreds on parts in the Xover you can get them to sound nigh5 and day better.
Jason I remember they had really good mids they were an easy listen because the tweeters didn't boil my ears. The bass was deep but correct for the time (70s) and the music we were listening to.
Surely rock & roll or Funk ALL LOUD. James Brown or Led Zeppelin. :-)
I've seen the different Toppers on a few DIY projects through the years and as 2nd and 3dr drivers. 3 or 4 total per side at different heights..
I remember they were hung like lanterns. It was in Marin county north of SF. First time I heard VMPS bass speakers too.. I met the owner there his van broke down.. That worked out well..
I like different..
if you can get them in a huge room well away from walls, they image like nobody’s business, with instrumental locations [imaging] independent of listener position. they were reasonably transparent with a clear but mellow treble. bass even on the smaller models was full and extended down below the low E of the string bass. i could listen to them forever, no listening fatigue whatsoever. the holographic imaging was addictive. if you listen to them closer than about 8 feet in a room where they are closer than a meter from any room surface, then the aforementioned magic disappears, at least it did for me. i’ve run across several and most of them had warped voice coils or sagging/offset woofer, you don’t hear the problem until a bass note comes along, then comes the telltale coil scraping sound. expensive to fix what with a grand worth of freight fees. so get them brand new or vetted by somebody you know well.
Ohm Walsh speakers have good price/performance, maybe a near bargain. But they’re Omni type means that they radiate the sound in all directions (horizontally) which has it’s advantages and disadvantages:
Don Lindich, who reports on products punching above their price points, advises they’re great price/performance speakers. IIRC they use older technologies but newer Omni tech will cost significantly more.
I have a pair of old Ohm model 2’s (equivalent to the current 2000’s). They are really easy to live with and generally make everything sound “nice” (smooths over bad recordings and the omni effect gives depth to the sound). They don’t have that etched glass resolution that most current higher end speakers have. Zero listening fatigue.
Worst thing I can say about them is that they love power. I would recommend around 150-200 watts per channel to get the most out of them. I use room correction and a sub with mine (mini dsp w/Dirac… Rythmik powered sub). They easily fill my 600 sq ft space to any volume level.
I have no skin in this game, but I always loved the F back in the day. I didn’t work for TechHiFi but against them…or I would certainly have gotten a pair! The current Ohms are different in design than Fs, with batting on 90 degrees to make them at best “semi-omni” and less needful of placement away from the wall., emr. MF, what relevance does stacked AR 3a’s have to this discussion? Are all vintage speakers alike? AM58, what model Ohm Xover were you disecting? 2000’s or some old sh**tbox from the 70s? If 200s are in the OPs wheelhouse budgetarily, there aren’t many better choices he could make. A used pair of Revel F208s maybe, if he could find them might be equivalent.
See, you go about this from an odd place. ALL speakers have their fans, so I tend to think more about the accuracy of the reproduced music.
Walsh speakers are not worse than or much better than many box speakers. They have their good points, and they are an interesting design point by someone who is trying to "move the bar" in a new direction. I always support innovation regardless of the outcome. You never reach your goals without some bumps in the road.
Unfortunately, Jim WIney kind of solved the accuracy issues back in the 1970’s, leaving boxes in the dust. This is not to say boxes are not good, just that they all distort in some way that Jim’s speakers do not.
So, if you like the Walsh sound, go for it. This whole hobby is about what YOU like IN YOUR ROOM.
Don’t let anyone tell you what YOU like, ever!
I would counsel against buying any speaker without listening to it first. From what you’ve said, you’re potential purchase is on the basis of reviews that you have read. Your ears and taste may differ substantially from the reviewers. I’ve read many great reviews of speakers and then listened to the actual speaker. While appreciating what the reviewer heard and raved about I’ve still walked away and said to myself “good speaker, just not for me”. One person’s “detailed” is another person’s “cold and harsh”. Another’s “warm” some would consider “muddied”. Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. It may turn out that you absolutely love the Ohm Walsh speaker when and if you actually purchase it. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Not the answer you are looking for, but IMO, if you are looking for an endgame speaker, of which I've had several :) you should buy something you can audition in your home country. Everything else is a guess, no matter how well-reviewed. Auditioning before buying used to be the norm. Now it seems to be the exception and I personally don't think buying blind is the best way to build a system. At least that's what I think.
Agree with the prior posts to try them in your room with your equipment. However here’s my experience with Ohms.
I briefly heard the F’s in the 70s and was impressed. Hadn’t thought much about it until recently when I heard Ohm was still around.
I picked up a nice used pair of the 4’s and they sounded great - very natural and easy to listen to. They weren’t as detailed or extended on top like some newer speakers, but the coherence and openness made up for a lot.
I took a chance and ordered the upgrade to current tech which makes them equivalent to the 3000 talls. I’m very happy with the upgrade and the upper and lower ends are more extended.
I end up listening to them more than my other Salk Songtower / AVA system but like both a lot.
Maybe the safe thing is to see if there are any used pairs in your area.
I have a dedicated music room that has been hard to get right and have tried to audition omni directional speakers. COVID has not helped and no dealer in Adelaide has anything omni directional. The Ohm Walsh has been top of that list. However I now have installed bass traps, one is 1.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 metres and 2 subwoofers? and have stopped thinking of new speakers just enjoying my Audio Physic Sitara 25's. I did own a pair of Sonar OA14's with 4 tweeters per speaker but actually much preferred by Royd Doublets which I owned at the time and for nearly 20 years.
I have owned a pair of Ohm Walsh 2000s for a little over 2 years now, and I can say that I am completely satisfied with them. Indeed, I think they are the best speakers I have ever owned, with the exception of a Pair of Ohm A speakers I owned back in the mid-70s. I also owned a pair of Ohm F’s during that same period, and I would say that the 2000s I currently own are better than the Fs, offering better imaging and better bass.
One important improvement in the original design worth commenting on is the decision to dampen the higher frequencies (above 5K) from the rear of the speaker to the front wall, and to replace those frequencies with a super-tweeter in the front crossed in at 8K. Please go to the Ohm web site for more info
The 2000s also are capable of playing majestically loud, given enough power. I am driving them with 160 watts RMS per channel into their 6 ohm load, and they love it! One caveat to consider though is they are extremely revealing. If there is anything wrong with your electronics, there will be no hiding it. In that respect, the Walsh driver is much more like an electrostatic than a conventional speaker.
I purchased my original pair of Ohm Walsh 2's in 1982. I did the full upgrade in 2007 and gave then to a deserving friend in 2019. So I had a good ride with them: They are one of the least fatiguing speakers and great for long term listening. They have one of the widest sweet spots & can image like crazy. I enjoyed them for 30 plus years. On downside, they need a good amp to deliver dynamics. They will benefit from a clean tight subwoofer. The Ohm Walsh 2 or the upgrade were not bass champs. I plugged the bass ports in the bottom to kill as much of the speakers bass in favor of using a subwoofer to reinforce the bottom end. Being an Omni design, they are not the last word in delivering a precision soundstage. It still boils down to preference & given your situation an audition would be tough
$500 shipping is not an insignificant amount of money. Add that to the inability to audition the speakers and it seems like a bad idea to me. I am in SE Asia and there are lots of hifi shops in my city with a fairly wide selection of gear to audition. It is unfortunate that the pandemic has canceled the audio shows otherwise I would recommend going to one and see what you can fine there. The last one I went to here had Spatial Audio Labs open baffle speakers and they were great. Not quite omnidirectional but still very room filling.
Thomas, I have a pair of Ohm Walsh 2000's and have had them for about 20 months now. I can honestly tell you it is a love-hate relationship.
They sound OK, nothing spectacular for the price, but good. Placement is easy, as they can be put near walls without suffering too many bass issues. The enclosures are hand finished and nice, but there are signs here and there that they are definitely built one by one.
They take FOREVER to break in. I'm admittedly only a casual listener - I don't play them every day. But it took the good part of the first year for the bass to settle in. At first there was little bass, but then it starts to slowly come to life. The highs were very shrill at first and have calmed down, but if your electronics and sources have a bright tendency, I would look elsewhere.
The one thing that got me a bit upset was when I thought the bass was just not there, I phoned Ohm about it. They then admitted there was a "secret" switch inside where the crossover were located, near the input terminals. They said to just remove the terminal plate and move the switch to the side with the red dot. I asked why such a feature and they told me that too many people were buying the 2000s and would have had a better bass experience with the 1000s when in a smaller room. When I found the magic switch, it was one of those old, open slide switches - about a $0.50 item. Plus I knew these switched were notorious for oxidizing as they are completely open. The other thing that made no sense was the fact that Ohm is very specific about the room size when purchasing. Crazy. I'm in the process of contacting Ohm to get a schematic of the crossover to remove the switch.
Once last piece of advice. I bought these speakers based on 2 glowing reviews on YouTube. Guttenburg and Z Reviews. My advice - don't listen to any more reviews, burn your copies of TAS magazines, and stop listening to others. Buy your speakers locally at a shop where you can return them if you are not happy with the sound. Then only stop buying audio gear when you and you only are happy with the sound of your system. That's all that matters.
@lagunamike...very interested to hear what the rest of your system is. My experience has been a bit different than yours. I did have a peaky brightness around 5-7kHz which I assumed was the 2000s, but a new amplifier made that vanish completely. John likes to promote his speakers as a good match with any electronics, but IME, the 2000s respond well to better gear, and work better with some gear than others.
I've owned my OHM Walsh 4's since 1986 so they're my 'forever' speakers.
It's very hard to buy speakers without auditioning them; couldn't agree more.
Here are some tips to help you make your decision:
Hope this helps. Angelo
I've owned a couple pairs. I've enjoyed them. I don't currently own any, but always have my eye out for a good deal on used ones, or better yet the sound cylinders.
Not perfect, but do a lot right, fun speaker. Good bass, big soundstage, solid imaging, coherent. They don't compress at volume.
Best advice I can give though is "reverse" your room. You want the speakers on the live end, not the dead end, that, and they do like power.
I have my ohm 2000 for a little over a year and really like them. 20 years ago I had (still have) Vandersteen 2ce sig and a pair of 2wqs. I'm trying to get the 2qws into the mix but not having much luck with crossovers. Reading some of Bondmanp's 2010 posts on his experience is encouraging. Been told to stick with the Vandersteen crossovers but may have to start experimenting with others. Bought a pair of 50k X-2 crossovers with finger crossed but no good. Need 80. As much as I like the 2000s I can't wait to hear them with the 2wqs