Any rock fans out there?


I preordered Black Sabbath 13 album and received it on 6/11. All I can say is wow, Ozzy, Geezer and Tony hit a home run with this album. The music is all new, but in the traditional 'master of reality', "vol 4", self titled albums. The pressing is super quiet, 33, 2 album set. Bass and drums are fantastic on this pressing. The music and lyrics are great and in tradition of old Black Sabbath, "I don't believe that God is dead". Since I know I have to ask a question, my question is, are there any rock fans out there?
captain_winters

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Dave,
This stuff (LAST Power Cleaner) is proven to work on MRA...

http://www.needledoctor.com/Last-1-Power-Cleaner-3-4-oz

Kind regards....
You're in good company, Captain :)
It's not out here yet (UK) but I've pre-ordered mine too.
Glad to hear your welcome critique.

Interesting that Tony, Ozzy & Geezer stated on their website that they've developed enough material for several more albums.
Best keep the wallet to hand :D

All the best m8....
My copy of "13" was delivered yesterday. :)

You beat me to it Captain.....I was just about to report their No.1 success. :)
Incredible that a group of aged 60+ heavy metal rockers can achieve this.
Their contemporaries must be thinking hard?!?!?
Hi Actus,
You asked about the vinyl quality?
Can't answer the sound quality component of the question as mine was still sealed in its plastic wrapper :)
However, I took it out and inspected it and it looks a very nice production. Content is split over 2X LPs as normal. They've kept it simple. Instead of poly lined inner sleeves with separate sleeves for notes, they've opted for just the illustrated glossy paper ones.
What's good about this is that un-lined plain paper covers are usually undersized and stick to the vinyl like glue. I usually end up surgically removing them before replacing with decent covers :(

I confess that I prefer to de-louse new albums of MRA before listening so I'll let this one "bleed" for a bit longer before cleaning! :)

In terms of LP stamping quality, the only albums I've heard of any problem with were the Rhino re-issues on 180g which had the occasional case of "non-fill"?

Although I still enjoy my 40+ yr old 120g copies of the earliest albums, a couple of years back I shelled out for Vertigo labelled Audiophile 180g editions of "Vol 1, Paranoid, Masters of Reality, and Vol4". These were all fine and non-problematic.
When listening to heavy-metal, absolute sound quality was never highest on my list of priorities but new 180g pressings are still worth getting.
Hope this helps.
Cheers buddy :)
Actus, you are most welcome.
I got my copy for an extremely reasonable pre-order price. (Given that it's vinyl, it might be harder to get one later?)
If it all goes pear-shaped you can always claim a refund?
All the best....
Well, considering that all the LPs I bought between 1970 & 2000 were never cleaned, I decided to play "13", without cleaning, just for the hell of it. :)

Manufacturing details first :
- Excellent centricity (holes not significantly off-centre)
- LPs were flat & warp free.
- Very clean pressings - well made.
- The runout grooves were well clear of the "shoulder" of the label area so no need to panic at the EOS.
- A minor criticism was that the good mastering work was spoiled by the packagers. Interior sleeves were too tight! Someone needs to show the packaging suppliers an existing LP cover for comparison. The inner sleeves were 1/4" smaller than those for regular 120g! Friction + static means they get well & truly stuck. Careless handling is liable to damage the LP during extraction. :(

Recording itself is fine and no sign of any MRA interference during play. All 4 sides played cleanly and were 100% interference free.
I won't add to the excellent reviews above other than to say the opening track will remind you of BS vol 1. Nice touch at the very end of the album (won't reveal the secret - don't want to spoil it for you! :)
Cheers Dave....BTW, MRA refers to Mould Release Agent which is a chemical embedded in the vinyl compound to prevent the LPs sticking to the mould when they are manufactured.
There used to be a great debate, years ago, about whether to clean the stuff off the surface after it had settled (apparently vinyl can continue to "express" MRA for year/s afterwards...)
Some felt it acted as a stylus "lubricant" and refused to clean it while others maintained it was destructive/obstructive and must be removed at all costs.

The latter argument is probably a safe bet however it doesn't always manifest itself in an intrusive way. It probably depends on whether they got the formula right? (I'm no chemist so I hope those that are will forgive any misconceptions on my part - and should feel free to add to our knowledge on the subject :)
On the other hand, occasionally, I've seen/heard LPs that actually sounded damaged(!)- mistracking severely on peaks etc - and the only explanation was MRA. Once this was thoroughly removed the LP would play flawlessly.
All the best.....