Analog vs Digital Confusion


Thinking about adding Analog to my system, specifically a Turntable, budget is about 5K but I'm having some second thoughts and I'm hoping someone can help, specifically, how can the record sound better? Scenario; an album is released in both CD and Record, the recording is DDD mixed, mastered, etc in the digital domain. It seems to me that to make the master record the process would involve taking the digital recoding and adding an additional D/A process to cut the record? So, bottom line, how can the record sound better than the CD played on compitent CDP?
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I have never had an issue with pitch stability when using a TT.

As for vinyl v CD then as has been mentioned previously I think it is a preference thing.

I came to CD quite late and still have a largish vinyl collection so it made sense to invest in my analogue set up. My original experience with CD had always found me migrating back to vinyl.

More recently I have been able to improve on CD replay and this sounds very good now. If I had been able to achieve this level of reproduction before then I might not have pursued the analogue path quite so commitedly.

Starting from scratch with vinyl is quite daunting these days, there seems to be quite a premium attached to both 2nd hand and new vinyl LPs. I do buy some new vinyl but the majority of modern releases that interest me are only on CD.

On the equipment side, besides the TT and arm, one also needs to buy a phono stage and cartridge. Although there is a much wider choice of analogue gear now, to achieve
the best sound still requires quite an outlay.

Having a good CD set up means I am not solely reliant on the AP golden oldie re-releases etc, I have a lot of the originals anyway. I can buy newly recorded classical, jazz and world music on CD at a reasonable cost and enjoy listening to it all

So although I would not be without my TT to play my existing collection of rock, be bop, classical etc, it is nice to have the CD for newly purchased music.

The best sounding vinyl still outshine CD IMO but often CD runs the analogue very close. Everything is depended on the quality of the recording at the end of the day
Charles1dad
Thanks for the feedback, I now notice the typos!

Fbihifi
I agree with what you have said about bettering CD, the pursuit of high quality analogue sound is quite a mission.

Whart
I think you are of a similar vintage to myself.
I concur with the buzz you get from discovering how good, "unplayed for decades," records sound.
You also mention getting hold of 2nd hand LPs which can also be hidden gems when cleaned. I have some great 2nd hand 70s Pablo albums which sound very fresh and dynamic.

I have recently been experimenting with using a 6 ltr ultrasonic tank prior to using my VPI RCM. It seems to work very well, Kraftwerk are currently vibrating the furniture in a way I don't remember almost 40 yrs ago played on a Garrard 401.
Charles1dad
Thanks for the feedback, I now notice the typos!

Fbihifi
I agree with what you have said about bettering CD, the pursuit of high quality analogue sound is quite a mission.

Whart
I think you are of a similar vintage to myself.
I concur with the buzz you get from discovering how good, "unplayed for decades," records sound.
You also mention getting hold of 2nd hand LPs which can also be hidden gems when cleaned. I have some great 2nd hand 70s Pablo albums which sound very fresh and dynamic.

I have recently been experimenting with using a 6 ltr ultrasonic tank prior to using my VPI RCM. It seems to work very well, Kraftwerk are currently vibrating the furniture in a way I don't remember almost 40 yrs ago played on a Garrard 401.
I am indeed the type of guy you suggest whart (61). We also share similar TTs and cartridges, I use an AirTight pc-3. The 4point is a wonderful sounding arm btw, I speced my own arm tower which saved me a lot of money.

I agree it is a real buzz to get great sound from a cleaned 2nd hand record which is 40 or 50 years old. I will check out 88 Basie st, I have a few 45 rpm discs, the best of which is Tina Brooks Back to the Tracks. The only downside, as with a lot of the original van gelder recordings, is the disappointing piano sound. Sax, drums bass all excellent but the piano can sound rather distant
I dont know why this should be as I have some great sounding classical piano discs (Richter, Brendel etc) from the late 50s and early 60s

You make some good points about phono stages. I tried all sorts of PSs some years ago when they were a bit thiner on the ground. Often well reviewed ones sounded quite ordinary, I used a BAT vkPH10se for some years with great success. There is no substitute for trying out new components at home with existing gear.
I have tried the Whest 30R DT and it is an excellent phono stage for the money in the UK.

I like the AirTight carts because they have a slightly higher output. The lower the output the harder the PS has to work and so the poorer the signal to noise ratio.
The newest Ortofon has an output of only 0.2mv. I dont know why manufacturers produce such low output carts.
It is worth bearing in mind that some phono stages will work more successfully with higher output carts.