don't use *any* kind of wet-cleaning system without a vacuum. there are those who disagree with me, but it's been my experience that if you wash it without sucking it out, then the dirt just seeps deeper into the grooves and is harder to remove later. get a nitty gritty record cleaner. they're wonderful little machines and they reduce the noise floor on dirty lp's. but, also use them sparingly. the best way to clean an lp is to let the stylus collect the dust, and then to clean it from the stylus.
Fujindemon, actually the best thing that you can do to assure the life of your precious vinyl, and for that matter, your cartridge, is to properly set up your turntable and align your cartridge accurately. Make sure that your table is level by using a bubble level. Invest in a proper protractor, also called a cartridge alignment gauge; they can be bought inexpensively from many dealers and mail order houses. A basic stylus pressure gauge should also be purchased, Shure makes a rudimentary, though effective, model for under $20.00, often the calibration of the counterweight if off so this will get you in the ball park. Fine tune the stylus pressure and anti-skate by ear. Although a cleaning device is a necessity, proper alignment will have a grater effect on longevity and sound quality.
I agree with Lazarus, although I have read positive comments about the Disc Doctor products, but I have only tried their stylus cleaner.
You may not get the best results with an old Kenwood, since it is probably a direct drive unit and may have excessive noise, etc. Check out the Musical Fidelity models starting at $300, as well as the models sold used here on Audiogon.
I'm from the old school: liquid Ivory soap applied with a fine sponge then thoroughly rinsed form the record surface. Regarding the Discwasher System, most people do not know how to use it and then blame the tool...I was one of those. Yo should NOT wet the record surface or apply pressure. The fluid's purpose is to moisten the fibers so that they can pick up dust without creating too much static. The pad is rotated to facilitate dust pick up as it is consistently moved in the direction of the arrow. Simple, isn't it?
According to Albertporter, the Nitty Gritty scratches records.
Record wear will depend on two things:
1) Record/stylus hygiene.
2) Proper cartridge mounting and calibration.
Get the tools to do the job right.
nitty gritty does not scratch records unless you mix sand or broken glass into the cleaning solution.
the library of congress uses them to keep their classic vinyl clean. they wouldn't do so if it were scratching them.
besides that, i know from firsthand experience that they don't.
don't use a wet system without a vacuum. you're just moving the dirt from the surface (where it's okay to to have it) into the grooves (where it will make noise).
The best Cleaning system out there is The Disc Doctor.It does not use a vacuum and works great.
So anyone who makes a claim about if you go wet you must vacuum is dead wrong.
The only drawback is you need elbow grease.
That is the problem.Most people want convinience.
Thats why fast food takes like crap.Its convienient so is using a vacuum.Its not the best way but the easy way.
Lazurus28 you will probably walk around your living room for 5 minutes looking for the remote rather than walking up to the tv and changing it without.
hey natalie, who here wouldn't?!?
Natalie: I also use a vintage record care products with AR record cleaner/conditioner.
From what I've learned it is necessary to clean out the dust first from record, than twist or clap the conditioning brush from the dust, than apply a smallish amount of professional liquid onto the conditioning brush and cover up the record. Massage on the surface along the groves until you see it's already dry and shiny.
Still before placing the stylus on the record I use a sweep brush.
ya know natalie, there may be a better way than a vacuum, but i can't imagine it getting too much cleaner.
turtle wax protects your car a bit better and makes it shinier, but it takes a crapload of work to put it on and buff it off. using a spraywax gives you similar benefits with a fraction of the work.
and i like fast-food. there *is* an art to it.
and lazarus has two a's, not two u's.
Lazarus28 if thats the case then dont make your comment.
The Disc Doctor is the best record cleaner in the market palce and does not require Vacuuming.
Dont pass bad advice.I wont get on you.
I have finally learned how to stirr controversy in this site and not get heat...
congrats. in hockey it's still penalty time for instigating.
in the audio realm there is a lot of room for OPINION. (gasp!)
don't act like you're the be-all end-all expert in an area where opinions vary wildly and you won't *have* to 'get on' anyone. your initial response was curt and rude and you even threw in an insult for good measure. your second made no apologies for the first, with you instead acting as though i were some misbehaving serf whom you graced by coming down off of your throne to set straight. you've never even responded to a post of mine before. you can disagree all you would like. you can believe that i'm the biggest idiot on the face of planet, i don't mind. but to post such an angry response over something so trivial? i've never even spoken to you before.
and we wonder why people view hifi enthusiasts as elitists?!? we can't even stand eachother. just look at the 'high-end speaker for rap music' thread. . . .
I just purchase sealed albums, listen to them 5 times (they sound best the 4th or 5th play) and then throw them away. I'm not wasting my money on fancy cleaning gizmos.
Das'a helluva tweak Decay!!!
There's no anger on my behalf, man! And controversy is not misbehavior, much less referring to medieval times. I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you or anyone in this thread. Why are you so upset?
I just have had a reputation since being in junior high of being able to stirr things up, not get involved and watch...
I did post on that rap high end speakers thread and what happened to me is true.
Regarding your reaction to this whole trivial matter, I have a suggestion that if you follow you'll thank me for the rest of your life: I invite you to live an advanced lifestyle:
the hockey reference was meant to be humorous, as was your post. i'm not at all upset.
and just out of curiosity, do you use one of those personal-coachy-folks? i've heard of 'em, but only in passing on npr. . . .
No, I don't use personal coaching. I have talked to one once and she decided that I did not needed such a service. Some people do need a personal coach and it's a totally valid option to help themselves achieve goals. However, the coach is not going to do the work for you...
I used to work for a non profit environmental organization and before starting the person in charge paid for my first Lifespring course out of his own pocket. He said it would help me become an effective individual, both with myself and others. It did. Go to the website and email me if you have further questions.
regardless of your approach, has anyone determined that cleaning results are better realized if you Zerostat the record first? I've tried it that way & it seems to work better whether I'm brushing off some stray dust or just applying a blast of canned air. Not sure about the effectiveness of pre-stat-ing (vs. not) when using a wet cleaning proceedure however.
hey thanks for the advice for those that posted.
i've decided to take natalie's advice and purchase the disc doctor products. also will pick up the shure stylus gauge as soon as i can.
i decided to leave the auto machines alone for the time being and put the dough i saved towards more vinyl or toward a new table. elbow grease i got in spades.
actually, i don't think i will mind cleaning by hand since this will provide more 'involvement' in my hobby on my weekends. i think it will be like my other hobby, gardening. for me the meditation is as much the garden as the act of gardening.
can anyone recommend good sources for vinyl online?
particular titles/label pressings?
i've found the following:
i am mainly looking for vintage/new blues lps ( memphis slim, lightnin hopkins, albert king, furry lewis, muddy waters, you get the picture)
i need some advice on reputable labels (other than MOFI) pressing vinyl, i don't want shoddy recordings.
i suspect not all 180g lps are cut from the same cloth.
All of the above information & recommendations are great! I've used many with fine results. I would like to ad Genuine Gruv Glide to the bunch. Gruv (pronounced groove)Glide is a Stereophile recommended product and it does what is advertised. It completely zaps out static, enhances trackability, and has some cleaning properties. My records really do sound better with Gruv Glide. I get mine from "Music Direct" in the back of Stereophile, "Needle Doctor" also sells it too. Hope this helps.
For whatever it's worth, here's how I treat my vinyl. I clean the record with my Nitty Gritty, which I love. I then place the record on my 'table and treat it with Gruv-Glide. I place the record in a new poly lined sleeve (retaining old sleeve if it has text or is collectible). I place the jacket in a resealable cover and put "GG" on the cover in magic marker. This way I've protcted the jacket from further scuffing and only treat each record once with Gruv-Glide. I buy my stuff from The Elusive Disc. This method has worked well for me. The new liner keeps the records clean and the Gruv-Glide keeps the static down. Recleaning is rarely needed.