Analog Lp


My Lp collection is pre-1979. How does the newer stuff compare? Does it sound like a CD?
bernard246
I would say it varies but I have found most of the new remastered Lp's sound great more bass, more definition and separation of instruments.
I prefer the older analog recordings for the most part. There's more detail, blacker backgrounds, and more soul.
Depending on what you listen to, you're not missing much.
Let me start a top MoFi one-step and Analogue Productions UHQR are very good some of them better then other and on the pricey side at $125  MoFi is starting to use their new supervinyl on some of their new pressings
Analogue Productions reissues of Living Stereo records good 
But just like when you started buying records it was hit or miss and its really about Enjoy the Music

Tom
I have found the new 180 gram records sound much better then older pressings. Quieter, more dynamic. I have compared them to my 30 year old records (kept mint) and also brought some replacement ones still sealed after 30 years and compared them to new 180 pressings and I have always found the new vinyl better. 
No matter new or old they all have to be cleaned

Older is better IMO.  New ones, besides often having a digital source, are sometimes made to sound snappier!  More treble, more bass.
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Dear @melm  : ""  sometimes made to sound snappier! More treble, more bass. ""

and what's wrong with that because that's the way live MUSIC seated at nera field position as it's where the recording microphones are " seated ".

Problem is that you don't really like MUSIC per sé or don't attend very often to live MUSIC events seated at that listen position and we need these kind of live MUSIC experiences to know a little why or why not our system audio items are performing the way are performing.

@bernard246 you need to listen in your room system, normally contemporary LPs sounds better.

Btw, which the problem or if you have a problem with the digital alternative?

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
As you said your records are pre-1979, and this is true analog recodrings. It was the era when mastering and pressing was on the highest level, Japanese pressing of the same releases normally even better. Listen to your favorite music just like it was recorded, mastered and approved by the artists when it came out on vinyl. Very few reissues can sound better than this, if you don’t want to hear something overcompressed, digitally remastered today by strangers (not related to the band) and reissued by someone who just bought copyright. Rember, musicians from the 60’s - 70’s era are old today and they are happy if someone reissue their music in any format, they don’t care much and can’t control the whole process anyway. There is a huge difference between audiophile reissues and normal reissues. 180g press is not an indication of the better quality at all. But even if an audiophile reissue is from the master tape, don’t forget that tape is over 40 y.o. today (not fresh). 
Most of my collection is music from the 70’s (original vinyl). I don’t like the quality of reissues sonically. 
I tend to agree with chakster 100%.  None of the ones I have purchased sound as good as my originals.  I'll take the pops & ticks and like them.
-John
@rauliruegas 

How ignorant of you to suggest that I do not like music.

Also, how stupid to suggest that someone whom you do not know does not go to concerts.  I go regularly (before Covid) to concerts, principally concerts of unamplified music.  I generally do not go to concerts where the music comes through microphones and loudspeakers.  

And I play music, as do others in my family   So I know how music should sound.  The re-equalization that modern record producers so often do to great old tapes takes us further from the real thing I think.  

IMO, there are no better disks than some of them cut in the golden age of vinyl.  And, even used, they command the highest prices.
As one of the few of us who actually lived through the years prior to 1979 and who was an audiophile prior to 1979, let me say that the only drawback to well produced post-1979 LPs is that the master tapes from which the original (pre-1979) LPs were generated were and are aging. Tapes don’t age well, even when perfectly cared for at controlled temperature and humidity. Let alone the fact that many or most master tapes were not at all carefully stored. So, the best modern LPs in the "re-issue" category can sometimes be compromised compared to original pressings by that factor alone. And this is assuming that all other elements of making a re-issue are done to the highest standards. Contrary to what the youngster Chakster says, before 1979 Japanese pressings were hardly looked upon as top quality, if indeed Japanese pressings were even imported (to the US) in those days. In those days, the best pressings were often European in origin, e.g., ECM, EMI, Decca, and others I cannot conjure up, including some excellent French labels, and in the US, we had Verve, Pablo, Columbia, etc. We also had the first generation Mo-Fi (from 1977 on) and Reference Recordings (from 1976), as well as direct to disc recordings, if you can stand the music on some of the latter LPs. The Japanese are to be credited for keeping up the art form during the 80s and 90s, when our industry was ignoring LP production entirely or making sloppy quality re-issues on some of the aforementioned labels, thereby tarnishing their image. (So, I am not saying that Japanese pressings are not excellent, in some cases, just not pre-79.) Anyway, record collecting is still a worthwhile hobby, IMO.
New lp's and reissues have one advantage, they are generally quieter. Most of the times i feel they lack some air and atmosphere, have heavier bass and less extended treble. Original tapes is a very misleading term for tape can degrade over time. Original good pressings on good quality vinyl, sound more coherent to me and the artwork is better too. Of course there are exceptions.

G
Contrary to what the youngster Chakster says, before 1979 Japanese pressings were hardly looked upon as top quality, if indeed Japanese pressings were even imported (to the US) in those days. In those days, the best pressings were often European in origin, e.g., ECM, EMI, Decca, and others I cannot conjure up, including some excellent French labels, and in the US, we had Verve, Pablo, Columbia, etc.

@lewm I'm buying Japanese LPs from Japan nowadays. I already have American original pressing of my favorite 70's stuff. Japanese pressing is superior to nearly all American pressings. There was a very nice article about it in Wax Poetics magazine. In the 70's Japanese releases of American music were made from the master tapes on virgin vinyl by companies like Victor, CBS, Toshiba, Polydor K.K. etc. Those are giants of the industry as you know. They are absolutely top quality and better than European releases.  

I'm interested mainly in Jazz, Funk, Soul, Latin and Soudtracks from the 70's, so I know what i'm talking about when it comes to this music. 

There is nothing interesting for me on EMI, ECM, Pablo ... from your list, probably it's different genre of music. But if you what to try Japanese pressing of these labels then look at SAL'74 here ( Mainly for Japanese Polydor K.K. manufactured reissues of Verve Records, Pablo and Polydor labels ). 

I'm aware that German pressing was great, can't say it about French pressings, but Japanese pressing from the 70's is the best in my opinion. Some American pressings also great! But sometimes American originals cost 10 times more than Japanese pressing of the same release from the same era. 

 

Dear @melm : First than all sorry that my post made that your anger goes out at that high level, was not my intention but I’m sure that after you posted you feel better because than anger gone.

May be I’m all what you said but I’m not to sure about because in the same way I know you are not stupid you know neither I’m, so that stupid was anot only an expression but a true insult due to your anger levels.Even that I did not take as an " insult " , so don’t bad feelings from my part. Ignorant yes, I have a lot of " holes "  inside my not so high knowledge levels with MUSIC and audio but each day I'm trying to learn and trying to improve that knowledge level and skills too.


Here what you posted:


"" sometimes made to sound snappier! More treble, more bass. ""

my direct answer was:

"" and what’s wrong with that because that’s the way live MUSIC seated at near field position as it’s where the recording microphones are " seated ".

Good that you are a music lover as me, then I can’t understand your first post and from there came the answer posted.

In the other side that you are a player is fine but does not gives you a true advantage when we are talking of an audio room/system music reproduction enviroment.
Example with you: you use the worst tonearm type bearing design that’s the unipivot that can’t fulfill cartridge needs the dual ones neither, second mistake you use tube electronics, third even that your Rogue preamp has a SS output buffer device and that use balanced cables those 8m. distance from the preamp to amp degrades the cartridge signal, etc, etc. What you are listening is not at the same high quality resolution I or other gentlemans listen to. I post this not to open a new window in this thread but only to put things in perspective for you and me.

You posted:

""" there are no better disks than some of them cut in the golden age of vinyl ..."""

that statement is false. Contemporary recordings and contemporary engineers have better and wider resources to make recordings and here there are some labels with that kind of quality that almost all outperforms all those good vintage recordings.

Btw, any one of us need to buy some of the LPs from these labels and listen to its sound not if the players does a good or bad job or if you like the score or not just evaluation of the LP sound quality :


ACT Music, ATR, FIM, Opus3, Stockfish, Clarity, Stereophile, Audioquest, RR, Sheffield Labs ( and I’m not refering to the D2D ones. ), Wilson Audio, Water Lily, Athena, Levinson, Rega, Propirous, VTL, OMR, WindMusic, ECM ,etc, etc.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.







Chakster, Please re-read my post. I explicitly wrote that Japanese pressings these days and for a few decades past are excellent.  Usually, they are re-issues, typically of American jazz classics that the Japanese adore as much as we do. I was only challenging your contention that Japanese pressings were even thought about in 1979 and prior to that.  As you may recall, our son has lived in Tokyo for the past 12 years.  Because of that, I have been in Tokyo many times, and I never fail to pick up a pile of LPs while I am there. This is in part because the Japanese audiophiles take meticulous care of their LPs, so "used" LPs purchased there are virtually like new in terms of playback quality. I do examine them at the point of purchase, but it is really not even necessary. New LPs, whether Japanese or foreign in origin, are just as expensive in Tokyo as they are in the US. (I don't know about St Petersburg, of course.)  For that reason only, I usually concentrate on the second-hand bins at places like Disk Union in Ochanomizu, one train stop away from the Akihabara station. What I noticed last visit (before the pandemic caused us to cancel our spring trip) was that second-hand LPs bearing brand names that indicate a US origin tend to be more expensive in Tokyo than in the US, albeit the quality is far higher.  (And of course, sometimes Japanese re-issues are made to be perfect copies of US jazz classics, right down to the labeling on the album cover.) I was holding a Chris Connor mono recording on the Bethlehem label (a genuine Bethlehem, not a Japanese copy), and when I mentally converted the price in yen to dollars, I realized they were asking about $25 for it. The Japanese buy up our culture.
Actually I’m not talking about re-issues. I’m talking about ORIGINAL JAPANESE issues made same year when record released in USA in the 70’s. If Polydor made records in the USA then Japanese Polydor K.K. pressed same release in Japan (from the same mastertape). 
Japanese reissues made 20 years later are nearly all digital, this is another story (I don’t buy reissues). 


@rauliruegas, You wrote, "May be I’m all what you said"

Yes.
Music Matters jazz records certainly do not sound digital and offer an alternative for buying the originals that cost upwards of 1000.00+ each.
@melm  : Thk's, God bless you.

R.