an equipment poll


what brands of components do people like and dislike ?

please grade the products of companies whose products you have owned, giving the company a rating between 1 and 10, where 1 means "worst sound quality" and 10 means "best sound quality"

thus you might rate conrad jonson an "8", vandersteen a "7", etc. please rate as many brands as you wish.

i will crunch the numbers.

at the end we'll get an idea of what people like and don't like. i think it will be very interesting.

thanks for your participation.
mrtennis
Cary Audio - 9
NAD - 4
B & K - 2
Anthem - 5
AudioRes - 10
Denon - 6
Parasound - 7
Innersound - 9 (Sanders Sound)
Gallo - 6
Def Techno - 8
SVS Sound - 6
Magnepan - 10
Velodyne - 7
Sunfire - 6
JL Audio - 8
RBH - 5
McIntosh - 6
Clearaudio - 8
VPI - 9
Kimber - 9
ZuAudio - 5
Homegrown - 6
Niles - 4
Klipsch - 10 (Heritage)
Klipsch - 4 (others)
Mirage - 4
OppoDigital- 8
BelCanto - 6
MHDT Labs - 8
Bryston - 10
PassLabs - 8
Spectron - 6
Sumiko - 9
Ginko - 7
RichGreyPow- 5
PS Audio - 8
Vandersteen- 9
AntqSndLab - 2
Benchmark - 6
Paradigm - 8
SonusFabre - 7
JBL - 6
Krell - 7
But how to weigh across the line becomes a question. For example entry level Vandersteen is not the same as top of the line Vandersteen. And PS Audio power conditioners are not the same as their audio components. Plus, many companies make electronic components as well as speakers; responses must be evaluated and weighted according to one's experience with a given portion of a mannufacturers's line.

Otherwise the "results" will be flawed and the thread becomes a "shouting match" (is this the intent?)

Also system and room contexts play a huge role and these parameters cannot be ignored, it's simply unfair to rate component manufacturers if we don't don't know the systems they were evaluated in; there is no control for this.

There are likely other incongruities with this approach not yet captured or mitigated.

This approach is highly flawed and will not yield meaningful data.
I agree with Stevecham
I agree that the over-simplified methodology of this survey is highly flawed, but I'll give it a shot.

Many of the following companies are long since out of existence (in a couple of cases, VERY long since), but given that Audiogon is a place for buying and selling used equipment it seems reasonable to include them:

Acoustat - 5
Antique Sound Lab - 4
Audio Research - 9
B&W - 7
Carver - 4
Classe - 8
Grace - 7
Grado - 7
Infinity - 6
Magnepan - 8
Marantz (the original company, under Saul) - 8
Mark Levinson Audio Systems (the original company, pre-Madrigal) - 8
Paxthon - 5
Pentagram - 6
Radio Engineering Laboratories - 10
Rotel - 4
SOTA - 7
Stax - 8
Tandberg (top-end cassette decks) - 9
Tandberg (other) - 5
Thiel - 5
Threshold - 6

Regards,
-- Al
I agree with Stevecham also but I'm bored right now so what the hell.
As stated my list will only contain manufacturers whose equipment I have owned. It must also be stated that I am a bit of a cheapskate so the perceived value is also figured into my rating. That may not be the OP's intention but it is impossible for me to remove that factor from my opinion.
Acoustic Energy - 7
Analysis Plus - 5
Anthem - 5
Arcam - 8
Audioquest - 9
Bel Canto - 9
Denon - 6
Eminent Technology - 3
James Loudspeakers - 8
Linn - 9
Marantz - 5
Meadowlark Audio - 9
Mirage - 5
Musical Fidelity - 4
Portal Audio - 9
Quad - 8
Paradigm - 4
PSB - 6
Resolution Audio - 10
Revel - 10
Roksan - 3
Silverline Audio - 8
Sony - 7
Totem - 8
Thiel - 8
Vandersteen - 9
OK, now I'm bored with this exercise as well. Think I'll put on some music.
a few additions:

Quad - 9
Sony - 5
James Audio - 7
Pro-ject - 7
Marantz - 5
Musical Fidelity - 5
Linn - 10
Revel - 8

I'm bored too...
Vandersteen 9
Totem 8
Paradigm 5
Classe 8
NAD 7
Logitech 6
Sima 6
Rotel 6
Theta 8
Advent 7
Yamaha 5
Dual 6
Stuff I have actually owned and used:
Garrard Lab80: perfect, as it was my first ever TT at 15 years old.+4
Same for me J.B.Lansing speakers... +6 and the Fisher amp.+4
Though I would have swapped the Fisher for some other Marantz (If I would have been able to... I was only 15.)
Various stuff I annot now remember... just junk..
more stuff I cannot now remember...
Then, a Carver 1.0 amp,+5 a Carver 1.5 amp.+5
A really great Hafler DH110 preamp I made from a kit, my first audiophile preamp.+9
A crap Sony digital pre with thousands of bells and whistles.. (minus)-10 I was sad I stupidly traded my Hafler for this POS.
Infinity Reference series IIa: my first 'audiophile speakers.. kept them fr 20 years. +8
A Counterpoint pre. Great, but unreliable tube/hybred pre, my second audiophile pre.+8
An Adcom 750, my third audiophile pre, +7
A Forte' 4a amp. A real audiophile amp, (still use) +9
Some really old magnepan MGIIb +7 they shorted out again and I tossed them (I paid $200 for them in the first place)
My current REAL audiophile preamp: Audio Research SP-15. +9(I even had an SP-10 +4.. for a very short time. this SP-15 is way better!!)
An Audio Research PH-2 +8 (it's flaw is it is balanced out only)
Some super deal from dealer B&W 805s with free B&W stands.. +7
I want some Magnepan 3.6 speakers.. I would rate them a+8 or +9 depending on what amp I can find to run them if I ever bother to get them.
I am not even going to bother rating CD players...
or current TTs.
(PS: why do some posters prior to me list ratings with a (-) in front of ALL the theoretically positive rating?)
(PS: why do some posters prior to me list ratings with a (-) in front of ALL the theoretically positive rating?)

It was intended as a hyphen, Elizabeth, not as a minus, and I think we were all just trying to be consistent with the first responder's format. But you are right -- it was potentially misleading and we should not have done it that way.

Regards,
-- Al
Different take:
Audio Research: +10 for still being made in USA. -2 for being sold. +6 for still being made in USA with the same great service they had before being sold.
Revel Speakers: +10 for being made in USA. -15 for being bought out, the company factory in New England being shut down, and production moved to some ten cent/hour labor pool country. In fact they deserve a -175 for beingso evil to all those workers who MADE the company what it was worth when it was sold.
+10 for Mark Levinson, until -8 when he had to sell his name along with the brand. Too bad.
-20 for all those small companies that moved production to China. +10 for China for stealing the designs and making those same small companies look stupid.
+ another 10 to Chinese makers, for going beyond the designs they originally stole, and starting to make some great stuff.
-480 for all those small crazy dudes who started making and selling strange crazy/impossible products. Tice Clocks, jars of pebbles, telephone mods. magic chips' you put NEXT TO the CD to make it sound better etc. Who made ALL audiophiles look insane to all non-audiophiles, even if the particular audiophile thought the stuff was crazy!And made it much more UNLIKELY that new folks would ever get into stereo equipment
-300 for MONSTER CABLE. who thinks they own the word. Sorry, I wish FRANKENSTEIN would sue your ass for stealing the word for HIS creation!
+10 for Ray Kimber, for still making some good affordable cables.
+10 to Audiogon, without whom all this noise would not reach your golden ears.
Tice Clocks, jars of pebbles, telephone mods. magic chips' you put NEXT TO the CD to make it sound better etc. Who made ALL audiophiles look insane to all non-audiophiles, even if the particular audiophile thought the stuff was crazy!And made it much more UNLIKELY that new folks would ever get into stereo equipment

Well put, Elizabeth. What strikes me is that audio seems to be the only field of human endeavor in which there is absolutely no limit to how absurd and outlandish something can be, without someone still defending it by saying "you can't say it doesn't work, because you haven't tried it."

Best regards,
-- Al
hi elizabeth:

thank you for your input. could you please revise your enries and provide a grade from 1 to 10 for each manufacturer you have already mentioned?

thanks

after i have received 20 responses i will tabulate the results.
hi al:

on paper a product seems absurd. however, in audio the placebo affect is alive and well. percption is reality. since there is no way to verify someone's perception, one must decide whether or not to pursue a product which seems to be ineffective or won't work.

it's mind over matter.
What strikes me is that audio seems to be the only field of human endeavor in which there is absolutely no limit to how absurd and outlandish something can be

How about Anthropogenic Global Warming nonsense espoused by many "scientists"? (Ice caps melt, global floods as sea levels rise, etc. etc. many ridiculous doomsday scenarios for which there is increasingly a total lack of evidence...even global temperatures are going down recently)
Dudes, just put some numbers up and then let's argue about that, jeeezzzz
Upon further reflection, I would like to slightly upgrade a few of the ratings I posted earlier in this thread. Mr. T -- please incorporate these changes accordingly, when you do your compilation:

Antique Sound Lab: 5
Paxthon: 6
Pentagram: 7
Rotel: 5

Regards,
-- Al
Sound Quality: Musical Fidelity -8 Conrad Johnson- 9 Polk -6 NAD- 7 PS Audio -9 Quad - 9 Grado - 6 Placette- 9 Anticables-7
Eico - 7

ET
Audio Research - 10
OHM - 10
Musical Fidelity - 9
Dynaudio - 9
Triangle - 9
Magnepan - 9
mhdt - 9
Linn - 9
Tandberg - 9
Denon - 8
Marantz - 8
B&W - 8
Dual - 7
Carver - 7
NAD - 7

Hey Tvad, come play along.

You've owned almost everything worth mentioning at some point haven't you?
Placebo Effect............................................10
Joule Electra............................................... 9
Conrad Johnson.......................................... 9
Wilson........................................................ 9
GamuT....................................................... 9
Purist (Copper I/C's & S/C's)....................... 9
BDR "The Shelf"........................................... 9
Cardas........................................................ 8
Kimber........................................................ 8
Pass............................................................ 7
Quicksilver.................................................. 7
Solid Tech ROS............................................ 7
Dahlquist DQ-10......................................... 7
Sonab 116................................................... 6
Thorens....................................................... 5
Eagle 2........................................................ 5
Dynaco ST-70............................................. 4
Vandersteen................................................ 4
Audioquest.................................................. 3
Audio Research............................................ 3
PS Audio...................................................... 3