John Dunlavy told me a couple years ago that if he was not a speaker deigner he would buy Thiel. I tend to agree, they have alot of the same sound, but I'm sticking with the IVa's I have. I wish I had some extra money, this would be a great time to buy a pair of V's for me. I would recommend shopping out a bargain on some floor model, dealers must be a bit paniced.