adding center speaker to existing stereo system


hello all members!

I need a little help from you guys!
I want to add center speaker to my existing stereo system witch i really, really, really enjoy.
The reason of doing this is that i recently added TV and started to watch some movies from time to time.

My current setup :
SF olympica 3 powered by Belcanto REF600M monoblocks and PS Audio Directstrem DAC as a source.
I’ve been only using my system for music, witch i stream using ROON.

I do understand i cannot simply connect center speaker. I guess i need some A/V receiver but i’m wondering if i could use it only for center speaker and keep the towers connected to monoblocks.


Any ideas ?

Thanks in advance!
czechu82

Showing 3 responses by tls49

Obviously you are sitting in the center between your current speakers for music. Assuming you sit in that same position for movies, what are you missing or what are you hoping to gain? I'm thinking it should sound good. If I were to add anything for movies, the first thing would be rear channels for room filling effects.
Erik, you certainly have the right to your opinion, however, I only agree with it for one particular scenario.

I worked in the A/V industry for ~25 years, mainly dealing with mid to upscale products. The latter 15 years was spent with increasing time designing custom home theater and supervising the install. No doubt I have listened to more and a wider variety of home theater than the majority of the people here. From that experience, to agree with your comment, the center speaker would need to be identical to the L & R, not just timbre matched, but identical. Also, it would need to be driven by an amp channel identical to the L & R. The closest center speaker to his L & R is the Olympica Center, however since the OP is talking an A/V receiver for the processing and power, that just doesn't make good sense. Then use a speaker more suited for the A/V receiver, and that will do more harm than good compared to phantom center. Now if he wants to get the Olympica Center, another REF600M monoblock, and a nice processor, that would likely work ok, otherwise, I'll stay with my original recommendation.

Some of the best sounding theaters I did, regardless of price, used all identical speakers with high quality identical amp channels.

"I think the idea that you should ONLY add a matched center is unnecessarily puritanical, and my own listening tests have shown to me that adding a different center, when done right, is a big improvement over a phantom center. Have you done this experiment?"

Sorry Erik, but again I must respectfully disagree, and yes, have done the experiment. When evaluating a client’s existing system, I would have them compare the way it was to using phantom center. Never had anyone with a mismatched center to say it sounded better and some with timbre matched even like phantom better. Dialogue could be adjusted louder with a mismatched center but the entire front image and overall sound was worse compared to using phantom. This definitely prompted many to upgrade and get as close as possible to 3 identical speakers on the front.

And yes, I have experience with room correction and DSP. It can help a little, however it is not a magic bullet and can not make a mismatched center have the same tonal character of the L & R. If it was that magic bullet, you could take 2 different speakers and make it sound like a stereo pair. I don’t think so.

Yes, the center speaker plays dialogue, however it affects the entire front image and sometimes that dialogue can be produced by the center and a L or R speaker depending on where that person is located in the picture. With a stereo pair, a single front image is created, but when a center speaker is inserted, that entire front image becomes much more complex. 3 identical speakers and that works easily with tonal character remaining consistent across the front. A mismatched center can provide louder dialogue, but at the expense of severely degrading the front image and tonal character within the image. I have heard many systems in which a vehicle moving across the picture sounds normal on each side, but much smaller or different at the center position. Now if the OP needs a center for off axis listening, that’s a different issue. I did reference that in my first post, however he has not responded.

Sound bar? Surely you can’t mean to use it with his current system. What a mess that would be. Assuming not, and using it alone compared to his current system, and I’ve got to assume this added TV is between the L & R speakers, no brainier, I’ll take the system.

Again, I must stay with my original recommendation that if he does anything, it should be rear speakers to get room filling effects and forget the center unless there is an off axis listening issue.

So Erik, sorry to say that it looks like the only thing we will agree on is the fact that we disagree, and that's ok, as everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions. Also, keep in mind that I speak from experience with many clients and it’s not just "my" experience.