Dear Raul, you and I both agree on the central importance of the tonearm in determining how a cartridge sounds. The tonearm and cartridge form a system of their own. So please tell me why you wrote that very long review without mentioning the actual tonearm in which you mounted the ADC 26. Better yet, please say what tonearm you are using.
Dear @lewm : As any other analog audio link the tonearm is important but the star always be the cartridge.
Anyway, I mounted all the cartridges in my self design tonearm and in a AT 1503 heaviliy up-dated. Results are almost the same and I said " almost " because in my tonearm design things are better but the characteristics through the 1503 remain there.
The ADC 26/27 is truly unique, an incredible performer.
Dear friends: I’m loading the 26/27 at 100k with 150pf and both tonearms are not low mas but medium mass and well damped.
These both ADC models let a few lessons to all the ones that experienced it. What lessons left to me?:
well, we have here not only a very old cartridge design but a cartridge with a fenomenal " motor " design with a humble plastic body ( no Titanium or the like as today top cartridge designs. ), with no boron or diamond cantilever but just a short aluminum cantilever, with not the Replicant 100 or VDH or Geyger double polished stylus shape but a humble elliptical one, with specs that are for " laughin "/ridicule vs today designs or even vintage ones, with a very very high compliance that can be a problem today, a cartridge that comes not with a " fresh " cartridge suspension but builded in the 60’s, with " ridicule " non-gold plated output pins, with no internal silver/gold wires. ! ! ! ! !
Then how could be possible that the ADC 26/27 can performs at those very high quality level perfomance to compete with today best of the best? Outstanding cartridge motor/transducer.
Obviously is out of my mind and obviously I have not answers about. Maybe only a cartridge designer with the ADC 26/27 experiences could chime about and obviously that @jcarr come to my mind to do it if he already had those ADC " fresh " experiences.
It’s not an easy cartridge to set up for shows at its best, maybe because its very high compliance or its stylus ti 15° angle or maybe because its age.
With my samples what I experienced was that as no other cartridge the precise VTF set up is critical, it has to be where the cartridge sample " likes " and it has almost only one VTF position !.
I know that @florence4 own it because he posted a few weeks ago in the MM thread, I hope he can share with us his experiences in his room/audio system.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
lewm". The materials of which a cartridge is built and the shape of its stylus are not necessarily guidelines to excellence. "
Well then please explain what the guidelines to excellence are pixie dust, glossy brochures, rave reviews by self-proclaimed experts?
Dear @lewm : """ are not necessarily guidelines to excellence. """
agree. The key word in your statement is: necessarily.
Everything is important but for sometime now I supported and support that the most important and critical issue with the cartridge quality performance levels is the cartridge " motor drive design " and its excecution.
The Pritchard IM patent and its excecution in the ADC 26/27 is nothing less that formidable and with out doubt the best cartridge Pritchard's work, not even his latest Sonus Dimension 5 can even it, as a fact is away from with lower quality level performance.
But if we have a good cartridge motor design then the other cartridge parts comes to be important and critical. One of my latests first hand experience about was with my Lyra Clavis DC sample where I decided to change the stock Ceralloy cantilever build material for a new boron cantilever and this change changed for the better the overall Clavis DC quality level performance.
Dear @ninetynine : The series 220 is a different quality level ADC cartridge and is away from the very high quality 26/27 performance levels and I know because I owned along the 10E.
Now, that SSSHH that you named is something I listened with my ADC samples till the VTF was exactly where it belongs. Very delicated cartridge on the VTF regards.
Ok, another cartridge of the month?
At leats something new, good to hear
Maybe i am late with ADC, but i've bought ADC TRX-2 MI cartridge with Sapphire cantilever. Never tried TRX series before. As far as i know this cartridge was designed in Japan by Nakatsuka-San (ZYX) for ADC.
Has anyone tried them ?
Dear chakster, The curious thing is that we somehow own the
same carts. Even more curious is the fact that I started this
hobby in the 70is while my first cart and arm were ADC 25 and
Pritchard. Back then I thought that nobody in the world could
compare with me. Later on I discovered that this Pritchard arm
was worthless as well any other tonearm meant for high compliance
carts. For some unknow reason cart producers competed with
each other who would achieve the highest possible compliance
but without any consideration of the question if there are suitable
tonearms for them.
As is in ''general'' known the cart producers never achieved any
In my opinion the only possible tonearms for those carts are
the linear tracker which I, alas, never owned .
Well at present I own not one but two TRX 2. The later one
with ''improved'' beryllium cantilever. This ''ADC'' with quotation
marks is made by an Japanese as you already mentioned. My
quotation marks are ''caused'' by this fact. Well to me this TRX2
is , say, equal to other of our ''best ever'': AT 180, Signet TK 7cl,
JVC X1-mk 2 ,etc. Except ''of course'' your own and only
Glanz&Astatic 61 (grin).
Dear @tzh21y : Good luck with your hunting. The ADC 26/27 quality level performance is way different to other of the ADC/Sonus models so try not buy other ADC models.
As a fact and as I already said it the 26/27 performs different as any MM/MI/electrect vintage or today cartridges.
If you don't have the kind of money for the great Etna SL or the Colibri or any other top LOMC cartridge well the ADC is the answer to it.
I know that you don't use any of them :)
Astatic is not in my list, buddy
But the AT-ML180 is hard to beat by any cartridge.
Well i will check the TRX-2 soon, we will see how good is your memory regarding the quality of that rare gem
Let’s make it clear:
There is no relations between Glanz 61 and any Astatic, except for the MF generator.
There is no equal model in Astatic line and that’s why the 61 is so speacial. Other models like Glanz 31, 51, 71 are all almost equal to the Astatic MF100 and MF200 (yes, all made by Mitachi).
But the Glanz MFG-61 has it’s unique cantilever and stylus tip that you will never find on any Astatic models. In fact ALL Astatic comes with aluminum cantilevers like any other Galnz models, except for the 61 which has a Boron Cantilever and Paroc stylus tip. I think Glanz people are smarter than Astatic if they made such a great model with different cantilever and different stylus tip.
Anyway i have not used my Glanz 61 for a long time.
P.S. Ortofon MC2000 is what i’m using this month with Gold Note PH-10 high gain MC phono stage. Very impressed!
Dear friends: I'm still testing the ADC 26/27 and making comparisons against LOMC.
No two cartridge even from the same manufacturer sounds alike, each one sounds " different " and it's through those " different " performance what determines if one cartridge is better than other or is at the same overall level but with different music/sounds presentation.
Other that the LP tracks in my whole evaluation proccess I listened and am listening everykind of recorded music and the good recordings sounds really good and the very good ones performs excellent and nothing less.
The bad recordings performs in that way and you can know " for sure " the errors in the recording proccess-
In a top LOMC cartridges or these ADC 26/27 we can detect some weird " noises/buss/murmur " that were recorded but that are not part of the music it self as in a London FFSS recorded when Sir Georg Solti ( that pss away. ) was the Director of the Orchestra of the Royal Opera house and we can hear there the murmur of the subway.
Something similar happens with some of the Chesky recordings and in other recordings exist noises coming from the air conditioner or even we can hear how some one opened a door. All these kind of recorded noises are of very low level but we can detect it if the room/system has that kind of resolution. Ormally we need to have a pair of subs because those weird noises are from very low bass. Of course that other type of noises could comes from mistakes in the recording proccess.
I have preferences for the female voices over the male singers and when you have these top kind of cartridge performers things are never be the same again. The ones that I will name are very well knows female singers and I'm really satisfied as ever with these experiences because I'm listened to it:
Dido, D.Krall, E.Fitzgerald, B.Holiday, J.Ian, R.Spektor, N.Jones, J.Warnes, C.Wilson, A.Franklin, L.Williams, Sade, D.Reeves, D Shuur, M.Caballe.
Other recordings that I'm listened with and follow doing are: A.Delmoni ( Water Lily label. ), Center Stage ( Wilson Audio. ), Hyperion Knigth: Pictures at an exibition ( Wilson Audio. ), John Lill with Shuman piano compositions ( Green Pro. ), Kabi Laretei: Nocturne Chopin and Beethoven Sonata in D ( Propprius. ), The Royal Opera House Orchestra with Ernest Ansermet: The Royal Ballet ( RCA. ), Lorin Maazel and the Cleveland Orchestra: Respighi: Feste Romane ( UHQR MF.), the Bach Toccata & Fugue ( M&K. ).
Other are: Elio Villafranca with CH.Flores: 16 eyes records label.
Demostration Reference Disc: top Music Int/Delos International labels.
Jheena Lodwick ( All my loving. ): The Music Lab label.
Mary Stallings ( Fine and Mellow ).: Clarity recordings label.
Hugh Masekela ( Hope. ): Analog Productions label.
Keit Jarret ( Köln Concert).: ECM Records.
Chie Ayado ( Prayer ).: East House Records
Youn Sun Nah ( Same Girl ).: Act Music.
Cristine Collister ( Love. ).: Rega Research Limited
He Xun Tian ( Paramita ).: WindMusic label.
Tsuyoshi Yamamoto ( autumn in Seatle. ).: First Impresion Music.
Dafos ( Reference Recordings. ).
From these two of them needs a special attention: Paramita and Dafos. The recorded music comes from not usual instruments that have not usual sounds but with disonants characteristics. Not easy for any room/system to handle those sounds at 95dbs SPL at 3m. ( peaks over 100dbs. ) seat position but through the best of the best LOMC cartridge and the ADC under review the experiences on it are just superlative.
Other magnificent experiences you can have when listen to:
The Power and the Majesty by MoFi and as you know it's a non music recording The recording it self is a must to own.
I have to say that some of those recordings if not all are a true evaluation test for any room/audio system and with cartridges of those values it's the GLORY ! and I mean it.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
BTW I know that there persons who search for their identity
while I am convinced that each individual in the known universe
has his own unique identity such that there are no two identical
persons in the mentioned universe. However ''Herr Freud'' invented
this theory according to which there are 3 of us in each of us: ego,
super ego and ''it''. Our moderators obviously believe this theory
so I got one additional identity from them called Nandric 3. This
Nandric made only 154 contributions in this forum while , probably
the ''super one '' made more then 3000 . So my dear co-members
you got an new member.
@chakster , I know that you know everything better but my
former self participated in the old Glanz thread. We all thought
back then that Glanz and Astatic where different animals.
Till we discovered that both were importers who ordered their
carts by Mitachi corp. in Japan the inventor of ''magnetic flux''
technology. The only difference was the fact that that Glanz
ordered also elliptical styli for their top range carts. Lucky me
I already wrote about identity. As you pointed out I mentioned
Vienna, Wien, Wenen and Bec 51 times. Those are different names
but with the same reference. So regarding the question ''who
made those carts''? there is no question about: Not Glanz nor
Astatic but Mitachi. If you look at your extraordinary Glanz MFG
61 you will see on the ''nose'' of the stylus holder Astatic logo.
It is a sign like A-- with a leg . I thought then that even Mitachi
was confused reg. the question for whom they made this 61.
I checked my Glanz and Astatic samples and can state that
Glanz has not its own logo while Astatic has. This logo you
can see on your MFG 61.
@nandric No, there is no Astatic logo on my Glanz and no "A with a legs" anywhere on the cartridge. There is a "HAH" letters on the inner side of the stylus replacement. The Glanz Logo is on the front side of the cartridge and also on the stylus protector mounted to the cartridge body. The cartridge generator is silver and the stylus replacement is purple on 61 model.
I think Glanz people ordered some special cartridge from Mitachi and they got 61 as the best model, while the Astatic never ordered anything like that. Two different companies in different countries, one OEM in Japan. Astatic is Canadian brand?
Mr. Masataka Hamada who was the developer of “GLANZ” at Mitachi Acoustics, has resurrected “GLANZ” within his own company, Hamada Electric. http://glanz.tech/e/profile/
Glanz now making tonearms: http://glanz.tech/
New address and contact info:
GLANZ 788-5 O-oka Numazu City
Shizuoka, 410-0022, JAPAN
TEL +81 55-963-8712
FAX +81 55-963-8758
Dear friends: Yesterday an audio friend that's owner of the ZYX Universe came to my place with his cartridge and we were listening for a few hours and we made comparisons against the ADC 26/27.
All my audio friends know very well the quality performance level of my room/audio system because they were here many times.
Well this ZYX owner was really surprised on what he listening from the ADC and after aa while he confessed that he prefers the ADC.
I have to say that along the A95 the Universe are the ones where quality levels differences are a little higher for the better in the ADC 26/27.
.I still follow and will follow listening it and making some cartridge fine tunning. I think that that ADC 26/27 cartridge suspension conitune settle down, we have to remember that was manufactured over 50+ years ago.
It's performance continue improving a little through that fine tunning. As a fact I'm trying to " know " the cartridge overall performance its " behavior ".
I hope some of you can find out a sample of it.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
Since I doubt that I will ever find and buy an ADC 26 or 27 cartridge, I am focusing my attention on the eternal debate between chakster and nAndric over the true origins of the glanZ MFG 61 phono cartridge. Surely, that is the most important issue of our day, not the collapse of democracy and liberalism in Europe and the US.
Der @rodman99999 : "" kept it(or something equivalent) in production. """
well I think that the equivalent is already in production with all those top LOMC cartridges as the ones I named here. Yes at a price point for that kind of high quality performance levels.
I wonder how will performs the ADC 26/27/25 with a boron cantilever and/or Shibata stylus?..
Due that I own more than one original I will try something like that but I'm not to sure about because in stock condition are very good performers, I will think again about in the future. For now I'm too busy listening MUSIC.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORDIONS,
I am focusing my attention on the eternal debate between chakster and nAndric over the true origins of the glanZ MFG 61 phono cartridge. Surely, that is the most important issue of our day, not the collapse of democracy and liberalism in Europe and the US.
The world situation is rated X, it’s been said back in the 70’s and this is my favorite song for today’s situation. The song was unreleased for 40 years untill now, sounds like it was written yesterday. Pure soul music with the message.
I answered Lewm’s post — "Surely, that is the most important issue of our day, not the collapse of democracy and liberalism in Europe and the US" — immediately with: "It is because of that collapse that we’re focusing on trivia" — and it posted.
Now it’s gone. Was it removed? Don’t they usually leave a little note saying "post removed"?
Yet Lewm’s original statement remains; why wasn’t it removed? Maybe because it mentioned cartridges, in passing? And why must Lewm apologize?
Are serious things forbidden on AG? Why is "the world situation rated X", as Chakster ’explains’? I can understand disputes of a political nature being discouraged, they can become vitriolic and ad hominem (of course that never happens when discussing audio) — but there’s no dispute here.
A bit confused...
Bimasta, I don’t think we want to talk politics here. Nor are we allowed to by the rules, I think. That is why I apologized for my post. I think there is a whole separate forum for arguing about the state of the world. I am too frustrated and convinced of my own powerlessness to bother. Meantime, I still have not found an ADC26 or 27 for sale.
TZ, earlier on I asked Raul to specify what tone arms he was using with his ADC 26. He responded by saying he is using either one of two tone arms that he characterizes as medium mass. I assume this means the effective mass is at least 10 or 11 g. But you are correct in your inference that cartridges with such high compliance as that of the ADC 26, in theory should be used with very low mass tonearms. In fact, so far as I know, there were only one or two tone arms ever made that would be perfectly matched to the ADC 26, so high is its compliance. But Raul’s success illustrates the fact that one need not necessarily be obsessed with that equation for resonant frequency.
Has anyone tried Denon DA-401 tonearm for high compliance MM cartridges? The headshell is removabale, but unique type, so it's impossible to use any other headshells, except for the Denon shell designed for this tonearm. But the arm must be great for a High Compliance carts like those ADC, Sonus, Grace, Stanton ...
Dear @downunder : Yes that XLM III is an average performer as you stated but even that the cartridge is an IM patent Pritchard design he was not involved any more with ADC because in 1976 that was when came the XLM III was BSR the ADC owner not Pritchard.
Anyway, both cartridges has no quality performance alike in between. Totally different.
Dear @tzh21y @lewm : Not necessarily a low mass tonearm as lewm posted:
" success illustrates the fact that one need not necessarily be obsessed with that equation for resonant frequency "
Everything the same: is it important to match the cartridge/tonearm to the " ideal " resonance frequency range?
As always in audio: yes in theory it's important but not at the level we could think or the level we learned somewhere.
The important issue is that the tonearm be a well damped design.
In the old times B.Pisha ( Audio magazyne. ) reviewed the LOMC cartridge Ortofon MC2000 and he found out in his real time review measurements that the compliance of that cartridge was at around 32cu and with a weigth of 10+grsm.
He mounted during the review with a Technics tonearm and the measured resonance frequency was at around 5hz ! and he reported that that cartridge/tonearm combination were abble to play with out any tracking trouble all those cannon shots in the Telarc 1812 !.
Those facts goes against the thery about but I confirmed and confirm those kind of results sveral times with other tonearm/cartridge combinations.
The main reason why the MC2000/Technics tonearm did not shows any trouble was the great damping mechanism in the tonearm and obviously the huge tracking abilities of that Ortofon cartridge.
So, the best is to try and listen.
The people in the 60's made comments that only the Infinity blackwidow or the Pritchard tonearm design were almost the ony tonearms to make the job but we learn that's not that way.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
Raul, I think you are a bit confused. Infinity didn't even exist in the '60s, and the Black Widow arm wasn't made until the late '70s.
...nothing new for me and my visitors. I wrote this around ten years ago on my website in "Die Liste" :
Dont forget to switch the language to english on the top left. Its possibly the largest info site about Pritchard and his carts in the www.