Acoustic panels on ceiling


Anyone knows where to place the acoustic panels on ceiling? I am reading conflicting stuff.

I have two 48” by 24” GIK Acoustics 242 panels with ceiling cloud mounting brackets.
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Directly above the listening zone.  Ideally this would be a first reflection point and would help towards overall creation of a reflection free zone when used with absorption/diffusion in front, sides, and back as well.
Yeah... I have all that, absorption on side wall, absorption and diffusers in front and back wall. Just ceiling missing.

You are saying right above where I sit? Maybe toward the front a bit? Mirror trick does not appear to work for me for ceiling 
I've been in a few concert halls where the panels are "floating" in mid-air. They are suspended by wires. You might try putting on an angle. If I were going to do this (panels on ceiling), I'd put them in the center of the room. YMMV.
In this situation I would contact GIK directly and e-mail them pictures of your room as it is currently  set up. They are very helpful in helping their customers utilize their products.
David Pritchard
I did. They said “put them where the first Reflection points on ceiling are”. I tried the mirror trick (hard on ceiling), and could not see anything 
thyname, mind me asking what is the mirror trick?
Jetter it is a bit difficult on ceilings but you have to find the early reflection point. To do that you sit in the listening position and have somebody else hold a mirror against the ceiling and walk slowly between you and each speaker. when you can see the speaker's reflection in the mirror that would be that speakers early reflection point. Then do it for the other speaker and place one panel for each speaker centered on those points. The trick is to find a way for that person to do that. Either a ladder that you have to keep moving or a mirror on a long handle. The mirror has to be flat against the ceiling. The other way to do it is with a laser. You shine the laser on the mirror and when it hits the speaker you have it. Have fun!,
Mike
One more point just for future reference. Line sources or linear arrays the best of which extend from the floor to the ceiling do not send almost any energy to the floor or ceiling. If they are dipoles they don't send almost any energy to the sides either. The only reflections you have are to the front and rear walls and only the reflection off the front wall is early enough to matter. 
thyname, thanks for the link.

mijostyn thank you for the explanation.

I can see the obvious physical problem of holding and moving the mirrors while sitting in the listening position.  It does seem that having a ladder and friend (or wife/significant other), LOL, to hold the mirror would be pretty essential.  


The mirror technique will work if you can MacGyver a way to hold it and move it.  If it were me, I'd start approximately half way between ears and front plane of speakers, and then explore a little fore and aft.
The scientific way to do this is locate the sound pressure peaks greater than 6 dB above the average sound pressure in the room using a SPL meter and appropriate test tone. Otherwise, it’s like shooting blanks in the dark. It’s like trying to solve x simultaneous equations in x+n unknowns. 
…..you say you’ve been reading conflicting info. How are the answers on this thread any different from the rest?  Why wouldn't you be satisfied with whatever GIK tells you?  Just curious.
I would be very satisfied with GIK info if I were able to figure out those first reflection points myself. Totally my fault
I haven’t validated the calculations for accuracy, but quick scan of the numbers look good for this calculator. One of my friends sent it: http://www.acoustic.ua/forms/calculator4.en.html

You may want to experiment with position in and around the calculated values. Some ideas below on holding the panels in place for listening tests.

If you want to go cheap, I have used something like this to hold things against the ceiling when I don’t have helping hands, or I don’t want someone standing in the way of the sound. The trick is to fully extend it just slightly off vertical (so it is slightly longer than the distance to the floor), lock it, then push the base towards vertical so it has enough pressure hold whatever you are trying to hold in place. https://www.amazon.com/Mr-LongArm-3212-Pro-Pole-Extension/dp/B00004YUPO/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=extensio...

If you want to get a bit more sophisticated, https://www.amazon.com/FastCap-Support-System-144-Inches-3HAND5/dp/B000067S12/ref=sr_1_12?keywords=d... is even better. Well worth the $70 for a set of two. You can hold an acoustic panel in place with one on each corner.
Thanks @atdavid. Very helpful 
I measured from the speaker face to my  listening position by using plumb lines to place tacks in the ceiling, ran string through then, creating the angles, then made the center of the panels halfway the distance. 
See my system pics for details. They hang about 10" from the ceiling (9 foot ceiling in this space) 
Thanks @bimmerman2 ! 
Very nice system by the way. Gorgeous looking room too
Just an update: for those following.

I installed two GIK Acoustics 242 panels for the ceiling today.

I posted one picture under my System.

Thanks everyone for your help on this thread. I am very happy with the results.

Special thanks to @atdavid. We don’t have to be enemies. This is a hobby for me. We can both enjoy. Our own way, even if it is different
Is  GIK Acoustics 242 panels sound absorption panel?

whhenyuan4 posts03-17-2020 10:03amIs  GIK Acoustics 242 panels sound absorption panel?
Yes.
Is there any chance to test different position before installing them in their permanent location? Ceiling panels are trickier than wall panels in terms of positioning.
+1 twoleftears  With 2 2x4' panels I would think centering them half way between front plane of speakers and one's head position while sitting in listening chair would cover the reflection point sufficiently.