Ohhh good grief.
Its mine. All mine. My precious. PRECIOUUUSSssss. |
Without question, I OWN THE POWER CORDS. All mine. Thats where I stand. But being Signalcable power cords, they are only semiprecious, since they didnt cost a ton.
I agree it is somewhat disturbing that "Fight Club" is providing a foundation for introspective philosophical debate. |
Nrchy I firmly disagree. While I do agree complex sytems require both time and money to maintain, if you so desire. Its my TIME and my MONEY, and I can just as easily let the system fall into disorder, sell, or anything else I wish.
Clearly expending the two commodities, time and money, doesnt imply ownership. If so when I take the time to walk into Burger King and buy a hamburger, that hamburger now owns me. Athough I must admit I do feel a bit of weakness when confronted with a Wendy's Double Cheesburger. Anywho, where was I.
You cannot save time. A minute passes whether you are sitting on your bum or mowing the lawn. Time has no value in duration alone, it is what is accomplished during it that gives it value. It is clearly your time to give to the stereo, it neither demands or commands time. You can sum it up by saying that the time was valueless until you used it to diddle with your stereo. A purely retroactive value.
You cannot retain money. Sure you can put it in your pocket or in a bank. But its true value is only realized when spending it. Without the needs of others money is not worth the paper its printed on. Cliche but true. Money retained is in hopes that someone else will need or want something and you can transfer its implied value for their needs. So money in your pocket doesnt equal new ICs, some guy somewhere with some wire and connectors needs to feed his family, and your money is a convenient conveyance from wire and connectors to bread and milk. Either way, its departure doesnt imply ownership.
Well, thats my thoughts anyway. Let the "Fight Club" debate continue. At the very least, I am confident I own the Power cords. |
Corona, Only if they wanted to, regardless of ruined designs. I suggest you try reading my post again. To better understand, since my point may not have been saliant. Maybe you will see that pointing out "cost is an issue" is superfluos at best.
You guys can be "owned" by stereo's, cars, wives, or whatever. Not I.
I chose this hobby, unless someone can prove it chose me. I like it. Every single resource "it" consumes is by my hand alone, and "it" can end by my hand as well. |
This is a light subject, there really is no right or wrong. I may have overstepped, getting to serious, and for that I apologize. Sometimes I get too wound up. I certainly understand we all feel enslaved by our desires from time to time.
I prefer a tough love approach =) |
Good lord "alcoholism" is quite serious, surely you cant be comparing an audio hobby with "alcoholism."
Maybe I am wrong about the Hamburger, but until I start eating audio gear for sustenance, awww never mind.
Disengenious or not, you need to have a talk with my neighbor, he clearly isnt "owned" by his lawn. This time year you can barely make out his roofline through the jungle.
Maybe its a matter of "pride of ownership?" I take pride in alot of things, but ultimately my yard, house, stereo, and other material things, are reflective of me and the workand time that bestow upon them. |
Nrchy, I'll see him for a few weeks in october. Yunno that time when the grass is dying down but before the leaves fall, 'cause once they do, his place will be armpit deep in fallen foliage. |
Ditto that Al, I am going to watch "unforgiven" again as my girlfriend hasnt seen it.
I cant even remember that line from Brad P., I must admit that I dont remember much about that movie at all, except that I have zero interest in seeing it again.
Audiobug, If any appreciable amount of a Hamburger stayed in my colon for 7 years, I oughta have a 30 pound ball in there somewhere, 'cause I have consumed about a million of em. Thank goodness you dont retain anything from Ramen soup or I would have weighed 450 pounds by the time I graduated college. |
Eulogytool,
"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake, we are come from the same compost heap" Maybe, from a scientific point of view I suppose so. It is also apparent that this dung ball of a movie didnt roll far from that heap either. I prefer to look at it this way, it is a marvel that such complex life and emotion can rise from the lowly basal components. Undeniably a system which is greater than the sum of its parts.
"Watch it a few times you will understand it and realize what it can do for your life." Yes, it slices, it dices, and julienne’s, blah, blah. With very few exceptions (Mulholland Falls) do I need to watch a movie more than once "to understand it," and I am thankful for that.
"Our fathers are models for god, if our fathers bailed what does that tell you about god?" That whoever said our Fathers were models for God was wrong. Of course everything depends on what context "bailed" and “models” are used, and to what depth the “bailing” and “modeling” occurred. But I digress, even shallow has some depth by definition. So this will be a question of semantics. In my opinion it’s the cheesy pop-culture wording of this statement that ruins it. Not to mention that, chronologically speaking, it is completely perverse.
Director David Fincher has made some most excellent movies, “Seven,” also with Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, and Kevan Spacey and “The Game” with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn, are two that come to mind.
Just my opinion. |
What a great debate this thread was for me. Looking back over the replies, I just wanted to say you guys truely do make this site what it is. Very intelligent and thought provoking with plenty of humor too. It is nice to get away from the humdrum of daily life. Thanks so much. I hope you all have a happy and safe holiday season. |
