A Thought Exercise: Consolidating Analog To One Table and Two Cartridges


So this is a thought exercise only at this time. The idea has been bouncing around in the back of my head for a couple of weeks, and have discussed it with a friend but really can't come to a defninitve choice. 

By nature, my stereo system is a product of consolidation. I buy and try, sometimes get a few pieces here, eventually sell and buy the next level up until I am satisfied. In regards to my current system this has led me to a pair of Classe Omega amplifiers and a Trinnov Audio Amethyst pre-amplifier. These are long term keepers for me.

Speakers may get an upgrade in the future or not. Pair of JBL 4365 with a pair of Velodyne HGS12 subwoofers just augmenting the bottom end a little. Room is a typical living room of 16'x20'x8' that the onboard DSP of the Trinnov and some room treatments helps smooth out. 

 

The first plan is to keep two cartridges, Ortofon Verismo and Transfiguration Audio Proteus. That way I have one to listen to when the other is out for service. Keep a Schroder CB 1L tone arm. Keep a BMC MCI Signature ULN phono stage. Theoretically everything else goes to make a pile of money. 

What goes? Ideally both tables. the SOTA cannot be used with this arm. But as an alternate plan I could keep the SOTA Cosmos Eclipse and put a higher quality arm on it and have it be the only table. 

 

Scenerio #1 What Goes

SOTA Cosmos Eclipse

Scheu Audio Las Laufwerk No 2 

SME V (older generation)

Dynavector DV 505

Esoteric E-03 phono stage

Ortofon MC 2000 all OEM 

Ortofon MC2000 with boron cantilever

Ortofon MC5000

Ortofon MC3000 II

Ortofon T2000

Ortofon T5000

 

In theory i could raise between $16 and $18K. Much depends on selling prices of the tables. 

 

What could I buy? This catches the eye, although how I would get it here would be a logistics problem. 

 

TW Acustic Raven Black Night (REDUCED) For Sale | Audiogon

 

I do believe I can get the Schroder arm on it. 

 

Option #2 

Would be keeping the SOTA Cosmos Eclipse and obtaining a better tonearm for it. Keeping the Verismo and the Proteus as planned. If the other equipment was sold then it could go to a speaker fund. Perhaps sell the JBL and make a speaker upgrade. 

 

The real question becomes this I guess. The next tier of turntable, does it really have meaningful improvements to offer? I think I can climb one last tier of the ladder and then I max out. But is it worth it to go through the effort? When I listen to the gear I have, the Verismo and the BMC phono stage really do lead the pack. I loved the MC2000 before this combo came around and I optimized it. I find different "sound" interesting to hear, but for me I am content to listen to my best and have limited interest in my lower tier gear. So I could just envision myself listening to these two cartridges. I don't rotate gear, or speakers, and don't have multiple systems. 

 

Any thoughts? Like I said at the moment this is a thought exercise, not sure if I would want to go down this path or not. I do enjoy the MC2000s and they are difficult to obtain, so that gives me pause. But if an improvement is within reach, that is always my goal. 

neonknight

Well, you have enjoyed a lot of gear….. and a brave soul for reaching out….

I sold a LOT of SOTA tables into old houses in the midwest, as @mulveling astutely says the suspension is well executed, especially for the $. Eclipse addressed the long standing speed / pitch stability issues.

Having said all that a solid unsuspended table plus a Minus K or similar can certainly take you far…. Had you run the Denon or Brinkmann on significant isolation …perhaps .? or maybe you did ?.

Disclosure : I have 2 x 75’s and a Bardo on HRS isolation.  I have also owned SOTA, other than your issue no complaints….

I get the headshell…I also have a 505.

Pushed into a corner i would say keep your favored 2 carts, get best Kuzma TT you can swing, get a Minus K and call it good. At the level you are at IMO we are trading flavors…. 

BTW  i heard a verissmo on a Safir on a Dohmann w integral minus K…. it was able to keep up w the Kuzma….

Best to you on your musical journey….

 

 

@tomic601  As I read your post, it looks like an argument to keep the Cosmos Eclipse and the Scheu tables, as at this point we are trading flavors more than anything. To my thinking this makes the argument of upgrading the arm on the SOTA, and then using an isolation base under the Scheu. Now as much as a Minus K is intruiging, this is my living room and most of the instrument grade isolation stands are ugly beyond belief. This table is heavy, roughly 85 pounds, so most standard isolation bases are not really suitable. Would you suggest any other isolation devices?

@neonknight 

A Kuzma 4Point can be put on it, but the dust cover has to be cut to accommodate the arm. 

Which 4Point are they talking about - 11 or 9.

I would have thought the 4Point9 would fit easily.

Sorry my pushed into corner list would be SELL both tables and get best Kuzma and isolation w your preferred single tonearm. I thought the 2 nd cartridge was more of a “ spare “ for use during rebuilds…. ? 

I understand your viewpoint about industrial or worse looking isolation. Ed at Audio Ultra in Seattle turned his Minus K sideways. The forward face could be veneered.

I don’t really want to get into or start a dustcover debate, but IF the 9” Kuzma 4 point fits and you can navigate the headshell system, that is one fantastic arm…

Hopefully this helps.

Jim

In my experience, an air bearing TT is incomparable. More clarity, more warmth, less noise.

That's air in all dimensions, no contact bearing at all. Once you hear it there's no going back. IMO.

If your budget will stretch and if your floor is concrete - mulveling is right on.