Coronavirus notwithstanding, ask Keith over with his amp for a listen. Maybe you might not like it. Then that’s put to bed. Or maybe you must have it and can work a deal or decide it’s a better investment to put down the $2k and the rest on a card. Not sure this proposed intermediate step is worth the effort.
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@millercarbon the ZP3 has always been of interest to me but I do not like that the RCA plugs are right next to a robust power supply. There might be a shielding system going on inside of your ZP3, have you ever pulled the top off?
OP: Ron Sutherland lives 10 blocks from my house, I would try one of his higher end stages if I could. If you can not find what you need there is a possibility of sending your current stage to Noble Electronics in Iowa or having them build a Tubes 4 HiFi kit.
Don Sachs, Hagerman, and Decware are OEM options of interest to me in that price range, if you do come across something else please post about it.
@geof3. Yes, before I got the line magnetic, I was looking at a deck where it's in. But then Steve told me about the 6th month wait. And of course, the review and Stereophile is going to add to that. That's the first public review I've ever seen of Decware, and I wonder what brought it on?
@dweller should I go for the audible illusions and just upgrade the capacitors?
I have the 2nd generation model of this listing.
The sellers price is over the original 10 year old list MSRP for some reason. Start at $1500 to agree on a price. A REAL all tube unit. Rectified, active gain-no step up transformer, unlike all the popular units.
Patience is a virtue. Wait for another H-1201. Hammertone looks to have one: https://www.hammertoneaudio.com/trade-insOr, ask them to let you know when a trade-in comes in. Bought my H-3000 used from Hammertone, A+ service.
you can’t lose what you aint got. @noromance is correct sideways move unless you can find a Croft single chassis RS and stuff it full of good tubes. A music reference RM-4/Croft RS is the equal of the Herron. i own them , never recommend gear i haven’t heard. The ML is a fantastic cart for the $, oh a yes i have heard the LFD, solid stuff.
have fun , enjoy the music.
"how would you describe the Fosgate's sound?"
simao, these thread is what I read when doing my search.
Having heard some of the current tube units in and around the price point, it competes(subjectively) with a more organic sound. Among the current, I would lean toward an Allnic 1202-out of your price requirement.
Allnic H1201will be available for your price range.
Magi Phonomenal has two MM inputs, all hand made in US with point to point connection. It will take 2~3 months go get it once ordered.
Magi is just as good as MM in my Allnic H1202.
Magi with LIve! MC-10 SUT ($1000) is just as good as MC in Allnic H1202 on my system.
An update: after flirting with several Allnic 1201's for sale and failing to buy them in time, I took a plunge on a Hagerman Trumpet - sound unheard based on several recs here and online. With a 30-day trial period, it's a worthy risk. Will update its sound compared to my LFD after it arrives and burns in for a while.
Now - how to get more bass from my Spatial M3 Turbos?
@tablejockey It was much less than I was willing to pay, but I love this hobby inasmuch as surprises can come when you're not expecting. Like, I was firmly committed to an Allnic 1201 - until I wasn't. And of the Hagerman doesn't do it for me, I can recoup much of the cost and try something else, like @vair68robert's Tavish Design (which I've never heard of).
@vinylvin Thank you for the link. What a lukewarm review for in my ears, a solid tube phono stage. I wish he would have taken the time to have poses questions to hagerman before writing the review. Anyhow, so far, what would maybe 10 hours of listening and not nearly enough time for a good break in, and I haven't rolled the tubes at all, I like what I hear. It's a definitely a different and improved sound from the LFD
Yes, an odd review.
I dunno, I get a sense he really didn’t spend much time with the Hagerman.
Mikey likes transient speed and air. Me too. Many folks like tube warmth. I prefer tube sweetness. I run tubes. But I do not like excessive warmth or thickening at all so I get Fremer's perspective in this review. I don't know what the standard tubes are but you have a whole world of rolling possibilities there which may do wonders for the sound. I'm looking forward to your journey.
Yep, I agree, that seems to be his desire, personally.
I have twitchy fingers to try some new/NOS tubes, but have not taken that leap yet. As I’m new to tubes tied so directly to sound, I will need guidance on the various tube sound signatures to make that first choice. I know one thing, I will probably spend a decent amount in my first decision, and not simply swap for swapping sake.
The main preamp tubes are the 4 of the new Mullard long plate 12ax7’s. They seem to get high marks for what they cost, but I’m sure there are better choices out there, if willing to spend a significant amount more.
I agree @simao
RE: Hagerman Trumpet - have you used the tube dampers? I find, for my set-up, that imaging improved with them installed on the 12ax7's, placed down low.
I just installed four new Genalex Gold Lion (gold pin) 12ax7 tubes last week, and it was nice improvement. Better mid-high extension over the stock Mullards. Tomorrow, or the next day, I should receive two NOS Brimar 12au7's to replace the stock tubes as well. I am hoping for an additional performance increase in sound.
I'm really liking the Trumpet.