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The pricing for class D(ull) is astronomical to say the least, they are using a sub par output section, poor quality , or average parts.
No amplifier can or will,sound as good as class A or class A/AB, or even class H 2 tier.
I’ve heard many class D amps, while they are respectable, the sound, highs, and muddy mids should give truth.
All these high quality and expensive class D(ull) amps are really raking in the money for a output section, power supply, the,inability’s to drive a 2 Ohm load are apparently not understood.
I’m,a,believer, class A, A/AB, even class H two tier are so much more revealing than the,class D.
There are some average class D amps,, but they do fall short for dynamics, speed, depth, clarity, sound radius, etc.
sorry, I’ve heard the difference.
No beating class A , A/AB, or AB/H for quality
I fail to see why COVID has anything to do with high end product reviews. Should rolls Royce stop making cars too? Should they stop building multi million dollar homes? Should we all refrain from talking about this hobby, many of us are currently spending money on it while some can’t pay their rent. Or maybe we are helping the economy just a little bit when we buy.
Should rolls Royce stop making cars too?
If they put a Daewoo motor in it and sell it for the same, like they did with this $39,000usd glitz box. Then YES!.
Or maybe we are helping the economy just a little bit when we buy.If you want to help the economy by buying this, go for it. I believe it’s just lining the pockets of the maker, and he doesn't give a **** about the economy.
"2 advantages: 1) they’re inexpensive..."Huh, then this one must be quite an aberation.
It is interesting to see what appears to be the same part in all of those items from the original post.
I must admit that I like the design a bit more than some others mentioned (in the other thread and Rowland from the OP). That is already worth something.
I would not care how it sounds, I would not pay 39k for anything audio wise! That’s absolutely ridiculous pricing. Only a real wack job would pay these insane prices. You may as well drive a Buck on any highway and throw all these dollars out the sunroof. In today’s modern age of hifi, there are way way too many bargains to be had that sound incredibly good, and for not a ton of money. Yes, I can see, as well as endorse spending money on proven quality within reason based on your hearing ability and respected reviewers. However, to spend this much (above) for marginal at best, if any real improvement in sound is simply absurd. After all it is a stereo, not an addition to your house. I don’t know, maybe my priorities are mixed up and I’m the crazy one! 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Yep, if I remember right they were $100 each in lots of 25 on Alibaba.
Would surprise me if Pascal got that stopped, being a big user of them.
Got to love the seats they sit on all day making the modules, real good for you🤦♂️.
As an owner of an Aavid U-300 it does deliver sonically - I compared it to a Gryphon Diablo and Devialet 1000 as I was looking for a one box solution with DAC and Phono.
In my sytem it was superior to both. A rich full and dynamic sound with no high frequency glare. The Devialet was muddy in comparison as a veil was over the speakers. The Gryphon is great but failed on waf.
Perkri I bet a lot of audiophiles do buy paintings as they are art connoisseurs whether it be music, paintings, film or sculptures in large part. Their focus is on music and like many art collectors there are some who are price sensitive and others who can afford to pay very high prices for that paint on canvas that others scoff at. Also art can be expensive to enjoy for example frames for paintings can often cost more than the artwork and the delivery systems for HIFI can exceed the costs of the studio time and the money earned by the musicians. I think some of the neigh sayers just need to open their minds a bit.
You have to put this in context. If you’re a major stockbroker pulling in $150M+ per year, dropping $39k on an amp is like buying a cappuccino for regular guys like you and me: it’s a bauble.
Maybe this is the sort of market the product is designed to appeal to. He pulls out a Stereophile, reads the review, and asks his PA to order him one between board meetings.
Aavik make a killing, no-one is hurt, and an ego is satisfied for the the next ten minutes. Maybe it sounds great, maybe it doesn’t. He probably doesn’t really get the time time to find out because he’s too busy spending all his time making money to listen to a whole lot of music.
pesky_wabbit67 posts05-21-2020 11:40amYou forget, these kinds of products are targeted at people to whom the the term ‘value for money’ has virtually no context.No kidding! Just targeting class D amps is ridiculous. Profit margin between Class D to A or AB not much different IMO.
I think that the $100 cost of the core amplification module in a $39,000 product is definitely a cause for concern. I wouldn't even consider this product because of that fact. I'm an old Krell guy and I'm about to spend $1500+ just to replace the capacitors in my KSA 300S. Obviously the major cost of my amp is the parts that are in it. I'm just more comfortable with that value proposition.
There was a very high priced CD player that entered the market years ago (I forgot the brand) and it reviewed well until someone opened it up and found that it was basically a bottom of the line Phillips player repackaged into a very fancy case. Then everybody said it sounded like garbage. This is one of the reasons why I am pretty skeptical of product reviews even though I have subscribed to Stereophile and TAS for many years. I think it's a basic aspect of human nature that the price and appearance of a product that is subjectively evaluated has a huge effect on how it perceived. Wine is a perfect example.
I've had only one opportunity to compare Class D amps with others of conventional design. An audio buddy bought a pair of European Class D amps that were well reviewed and we compared them to his pair of Bryston 28b3 amps. Honestly, I was not expecting to hear much difference. The comparison shocked us both. The Brystons were immediately superior in every way and the difference was so large that we just looked at each other in slack jawed amazement. After that experience I don't think I can ever take a Class D amp seriously. I realize that's not fair - I'm sure there are some better ones out there and I've heard them sound good at audio shows - but there's so many wonderful solid state and tube amps available that I can comfortably weed out Class D as an option.
I think pesky_wabbit stated it well. Agree 100%.
I know an a'phile who actually bought a few of these Aavik pieces, paid close to retail, went to sell them in the used market...and paid a large price to dump them! Now whether this price was acceptable to him or not is another issue, but a very major depreciation was the outcome. ( Far more than usual in this instance!).
Are the parts in a comparably-priced A/B amplifier (Gryphon, D’Agostino, Soulution, etc.) more expensive than the ones in this amp? How much more expensive?
The cost differences are massive >50, especially when you factor in the power supplies also (SMP v Linear), for the same wattages compared to one of A/B’s you’ve chosen.
That’s why the mighty buck increase looks so tempting to the Class-D makers and swingers.
To give you an idea just one of the power supply caps in a linear amp you mentioned can cost as much as the whole SMP power supply in a Class-d
Lets consider, for a minute, the First Watt SIT-3.
What are you paying for?
The Black box? The handful of components in it? Nope, you are paying for the creativity and design skill of Nelson Pass. Never heard a SIT 3, want to badly and suspect I would like it.
The whole, when done properly, is far greater than the sum of its parts.
Hence my earlier comment regarding artwork.
Material costs in a painting? Nominal. Perceived value? Sometimes, astronomical.
How many in this thread have actually heard the 39K pretty black box?
Lets consider, for a minute, the First Watt SIT-3.
Big difference don't even know how you can compare.
A Nelson Pass (god) designed black box, still multiple x less $, with still more parts costing inside.
Not what come down to a Chinese $100 subwoofer plate amp module, built here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCxCg-QWDQ&feature=youtu.be
And transistors in A or AB costs much more than class D module?Just because it has 20kg heatsinks it justifies higher price than class D amps?
Does whole sound quality comes just from class D modules in the amp, or there are maybe some other components in there?
Come on people, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, and never heard this amp and compared it against other in that price range.