12' x 14' room; $10k budget for speakers; help


Associated equipment:
ARC amp & preamp; VPI table W/Soundsmith; Cary SACD; Magnum Dynalab tuner; Nordost cables; Silverline Sonatina II speakers

Performance preferences:
Non fatiguing; able to handle the dynamics of classical orchestra; articulate (it would be great to understand what Ricky Lee Jones is singing); bass to 40Hz

Listening preferences:
I grew up in New Orleans in the 50's; went to college in the 60's; worked for the opera in the 70's; & have worked in a modern jazz club since the 80's
I listen to old R&B; psychedelic rock; modern jazz; some classical & Broadway.

The system is setup in a smallish room (12w x 14l x 10h) dedicated to 2 channel stereo. The speaker need to be on the 12' wall.
There are only two local high end dealers so there are few speakers to audition. I travel some & am willing to audition away from home.

Your input is greatly appreciated.
maxh

Showing 1 response by bezimienny

Hi. Noticed your post, as I have a similar sized room, open on one side - and potentially would consider speakers in your budget. I found a trip to a local AV show interesting - the hotel rooms were mostly of a similar scale, some a fraction larger.

For large speakers which were surprisingly forgiving of a modest sized environment:

The Von Schweikert VR35s were promising - unique design. Certainly a very large sound stage and a non-fatiguing tone. Reading up, seems their placement is finicky, and bass varies dramatically with the room. Still their policy of in-home trials is tempting. At the show the sound had width and height, but depth was a little lacking - nonetheless, better than many more expensive set-ups at the show. The room was odd...something like 10' across, 16' deep, with speakers on the long wall 9' apart.

Dynaudio Confidence series - Bryston electronics used C4 MkIIs to showcase their wares, in a room smaller than yours! Possibly the best sound at the show. Bass control was extraordinary. Very articulate, but sweet sound. Not sure how Brian Russell managed this trick, but it was very impressive. Second hand or superseded C2s or C4s, or new C1s would be in budget.

Left field option - Analysis Audio planar ribbons - around 10K - made in Greece! Meet all your criteria, and possibly the best "three-dimensionality" of the show.

Other speakers I've heard which I suppose are obvious contenders, with shorthand comments - latest B&W 803 Diamonds - Very smooth, but not overly dynamic - nice with orchestral, string quartets; Wilson - second hand Sophias - I don't like the tweeter in these, but maybe that's just me - I owned CUBs, & they work well placed to the corners of a room, but sound hard, more so than the Sophias; Sonus Faber Guarneris (Homages & Mementos) - in some ways similar to the B&Ws - not too much snap and drive, & benefit from a sub - very sweet with acoustic music, chamber especially - can handle an orchestras well, although sound stage not overly large (like your up the rear of the concert hall) - massed strings might sound distant, but never grating.

Finally a plug for my current speakers - Usher Be718s with the US spec crossover and the original beryllium tweeters, Usher stands, and a REL sub. I can't really justify changing these for another monitor - when buying also considered Guarneri Mementos and Wilson Duettes. As a professional review said, the Ushers sound remarkably like the Dynaudio C1s for a fraction of the cost...especially second hand in the USA. Just don't get the diamond tweeter - it's a step backwards. A sub is nice, and the stands are essential = the speakers bolt on.

Might also comment on some of the other suggestions - I think I'm overly sensitive to grain & congestion in the higher frequencies, but to my ears Martin Logans and Magnepans are fatiguing, surprisingly so, in the treble - also I can't imagine a small room would be optimal - again, poor results at the AV show for the Magnepans; the MLs I've heard in large rooms, but just did not convince. Audio Note's have their devoted following, but not for me - even with their own high end electronics I find the sound a bit thin and distant - I have heard them several times over the years, but the room at the AV show just confirmed my previous experiences.

Finally, another post mentioned room treatments - helped with our room, but require experimentation - absorber panels are cheap (when in their bare state). I relate to your gear, having had ARC amps and a CD1 player for a decade: having said that, for clarity the latest outboard DACs seem to be a great improvement - I put in a Wyred4Sound DAC2 and this is way better than the ARC inbuilt DAC - I imagine your Cary is better than the ARC, but still..."Come on Cecil, give me a dollar..."

All the best,
Rob.