10 meters of interconect cable is too long.


Hi,
I want to move preamp, cd, turntable to rear corner of the room, away from monoblocks 25ft to 30ft. 
With that length, any loss in quality of sound? 
All my interconnect cables are Kimber Kable KS1016.
Brand on the list: Kimber Kable KS1016 10 meters $4500
Any advise will help.
Thanks,
KD



kd8606
Cary Audio preamp SLP-98P is no, monoblocks CAD 211FE is yes.
Thanks.
So, yes, sound quality and noise are potential issues at that length. That's 30' - OK for balanced cables, not so much for single ended (RCA).
To put this another way, the entire circuit would be 60' long. :)
Thanks for reply. 
Can use xlr convert rca at preamp?
Thanks
Yes, unfortunately you are likely to experience some degradation of sonics at that length, especially given that the interconnections to the amp are single-ended. And a simple RCA-to-XLR adapter at the outputs of the preamp will not help.

However you may want to consider connecting the outputs of the preamp to a Jensen PO-2RX transformer, via short unbalanced interconnects, and connecting the outputs of the transformer to the amps via balanced cables. That would result in the long cables being driven with a true balanced pair of signals. Although in doing so the relatively high output impedance of the preamp (measured by Stereophile as 370 ohms in the midrange and treble, but rising to a very high 6.8K at 20 Hz) could conceivably still be an issue, as the 1:1 turns ratio of the transformer will not change the impedance with which the long cables are driven. Trying it is probably the only way to be sure.

Regards,
-- Al

Thanks for advices, next project will upgrade preamp with xlr connections.
Have a nice weekend, 
KD.
The degradation in sonics is far greater than anything anyone has mentioned so far. Its nothing like what you think. The degradation that really matters is nothing to do with the length per se. It has to do with the fact that whatever you can afford to spend on the interconnect will buy you immensely more performance at 1m compared to 10.

Go ahead and do it if its so important. It better be.

Just noticed your $4500 budget. That kind of money will buy you 1m Synergistic Research Atmosphere Level 3 Euphoria with a ground block. This one interconnect will elevate your system above Kimber to a level you simply would have thought impossible. Instead you will spend that same money to achieve what can only be described as mediocre at best. Talk about degradation! 

Go ahead and do it if its so important. It better be. It really, really better be.

... next project will upgrade preamp with xlr connections.
FYI, simply adding XLR connectors to the preamp will not help, because you would still be sending single-ended signals into the cables. Unless, that is, major modifications were made to the preamp to allow it to generate true balanced signal pairs for each channel. That would likely involve addition of a tube, physically large output coupling capacitors, and other circuit elements, assuming there is room to fit all of those things.

Simply adding XLR connectors, while providing them with unbalanced signals, might result in minor sonic differences compared to running long RCA cables due to differences in the cables that are used. But those differences could just as easily be for the worse as for the better, compared to running long RCA cables.

The transformer approach I suggested is far more likely to be a good solution.

Good luck. Regards,
-- Al

A 30 foot speaker cable is much better than a 30 foot interconnect...........
A 30 foot speaker cable is much better than a 30 foot interconnect...........
It depends on many things. And over the years there have been a number of threads here in which the question of long speaker cables/short interconnects vs. short speaker cables/long interconnects has been discussed, with my perception being that a clear majority favors short speaker cables/long interconnects in most circumstances. In fact one of the advantages of monoblock amplifiers is often considered to be that they make it possible to have very short speaker cables.

Some of those dependencies: Preamp output impedance (the higher this is the more important it becomes to keep interconnects short, everything else being equal); speaker impedance (the lower this is the more important it becomes to keep speaker cables short, everything else being equal); balanced vs. unbalanced interconnects (balanced interconnects tend to handle long runs better); preamp compliance with balanced standard AES48 (which minimizes the importance of interconnect length); the internal grounding configurations of the preamp and amp (which affects susceptibility to ground loop issues, which is also affected by the resistance of the shield or other return conductor in interconnect cables, and resistance is proportional to length for a given cable type); and of course the characteristics of the specific make and model of the cables.

Regards,
-- Al
 
I think before I spent all that money for something I did not know for sure would work I would order something like this, from Monoprice or online.  You can buy two 35 foot RCA's for a total of about $30 plus shipping.  I don't know whether these being coaxial are ok for your application but the idea is try some cheaper cable first to see if it works at all.  Be careful if you go this route, some cables come as a pair of RCAs that are both in one sleeve. 
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2683

@kd8606,
I am using a pair of 25ft RCA’s between my preamp and amps (SET) with no sound degradation. Use quality audio cables and you will be fine. 
It is a large room for sure (I'd be so lucky) It is 25-30 ft from the amps, to the preamp ect, and the amps are how close to the speakers? HOW BIG IS THAT ROOM??? LOL I'm sure you have it all figured out, BUT does it really have to be so far anyway, ANY way to get it closer? I'm guessing it's a target for guest, kids. You want to open up the room? I mean why do you REALLY need to move it that far. Gotta clear the floor for salsa dancing, or prayer meetings, partner, OCD kickin' in, WHY you gotta move it? Ay? I'm an ol' mechanic, I TRY to stay out of trouble, NOT get out of trouble. I hate moving cables period, everything sound whacky until they (the cables) or I settle in. I haven't figured that part out yet.
I am running 6 meters you must go balanced for best sound at this length.Enjoy!!