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05-24-09
Before i forget, i have to add that the shl-5 needs to ... Ryder
05-24-09
Wow! if you can make garbage sound really good and not ... Shadorne
05-25-09
Hi shadorne, i suspect it is not so much on the pre ... Ryder
05-25-09
i guess garbage must have sounded b ... Shadorne
05-25-09
I never enjoyed listening to music in my car as listeni ... Ryder
05-25-09
Try maceo parker advanced funk from school's in and see ... Shadorne
07-07-09
Alan shaw of harbeth seems to have pretty firm opinions ... Byegolly
07-07-09
I appreciate your enthusiasm for the shl5's and your so ... Drubin
07-07-09
Yes, i agree about alan shaw's views and assertions in ... Ryder
10-16-09
Spl-5 is perfect for all music which created with real ... Saymir
10-28-09
These old-fashion harbeth monitors are the way to go.b ... Hieule5
10-29-09
The harbeth super hl-5 good size woofers would make it ... Hieule5
10-30-09
With right amplifier power sub is not necessary.it is n ... Saymir
04-28-10
It has been almost a year since i owned the shl5. a few ... Ryder
04-29-10
Great post, ryder. due to the ... Drubin
04-29-10
Ryder, thanks for the very informative post. i have m3 ... Jimcrane
04-29-10
Thanks for the kind words drubin and jim. yes, i ... Ryder
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Thanks to all here for the added information. I also have the Harbeth Super HL5's driven by Odyssey Extreme SE mono blocks and Odyssey Candela preamp. IC's and cables are inexpensive custom made, all silver plated.
I turned my speakers upside-down and set them up on Dynaudio Stand 4's, sand filled, which sit spiked to concrete bricks on a rug. The woofers are thus higher up. My ear height falls between the main tweeter and the super one. The imaging, coherency and realism is the best I've heard with this arrangement.
This combination delivers a very deep, clean, wide and very organic sound stage with fine details projected in holographic phantoms around the room. Vocals project from tightly controlled areas in central stage and are very stable. Harbeth really gets the vocals right. At the right volume, one can imagine the artists there in the room. Vocals and instrumental notes decay for a long time in the background while new notes are produced. You can sonically "see" the room it was recorded in.
Base is natural and real sounding; not bloated and without that annoying boominess which always sounds the same. Drums and base beats have their own defined sonic characteristic, depending on the recording.
I say all of this to demonstrate that the SHL5's can really bring out the best in gear of all kinds, from less expensive like mine to the finest, IMHO. Its nice to hear about the differences between kits. That NAIM 202/200 is starting to become a temptation right now . . . oh no . . . here we go again!
Question on volume: I'm not sure what is a safe volume for the SHL5's. Alan Shaw says they were designed to be run at 85 decibels continuously, but I like to turn it up to 95 once in a while. My amps put out 200 plus watts at 8 ohms. I don't want to burn the coils.
Does anyone know at what volume level or wattage would equal 95 decibels with this amp?
Thanks again,
Cheers,
Chris Sonicray 09-06-10
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker I presume Alan Shaw is saying that 85dB is the safe volume level in normal listening environments. I’ve asked the question once and the designer cannot commit to a figure.
I believe the SHL5 can handle up to 105dB peak SPL without any problems. It depends on the distance one is sitting away from the speakers. Since SPLs will decrease by 6dB for every distance doubled, the SPL for 95dB at a distance of 2m away would be 101dB. If the listening distance from speakers is 3m away the SPL would be 104dB. At 4m the SPL would be 107dB. Assuming you’re sitting at approximately 3m away and getting a peak SPL of 95dB I wager the speakers would be fine as 104dB is still below 105dB.
FWIW I am getting a peak of 100dB at 3m away, which means the speakers are actually pumping out 109dB, quite a bit out of the recommended range. Sound is still very much in control although I may be listening to some distortion added in.
As for amp wattage, 1W will produce 86dB(since the sensitivity of the SHL5 is 86dB/m). Since every doubling of power will increase the SPL by 3dB, you would require 64W to produce 104dB(at 3m listening distance). Anyway all this technical interpretations are a general guideline only as the system may perform differently in practical use. Even if the limits are exceeded, the amplifier and speakers may still be in one piece as we get more distortion in music.
I may try your suggestion in turning the speakers upside down sometime to hear the effects myself. I agree that vocals on the Harbeth sound glorious. It’s just so natural that listening to other high-end speakers(that I don’t want to mention names) made them sound artificial with unnatural detail. I can listen to the SHL5s all day long on a good day.
Re. amps –one man’s meat is another man’s poison. The Naims don’t suit everyone. Not the most analogue sounding in vocals when compared to a few good tube amps(although I still find vocals as smooth as silk, thanks to the Harbeth). I love them for their PRaT qualities especially when playing rock music.
Cheers. Ryder 09-06-10
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Thanks for the technical info on spl's, distances and amps. At typically 3 M away, I probably have them up around 95 decibels and 100 + for rock. I'll stay away from the 105 db levels though.
It seems that with the 64 watts you mentioned, we're still far away from the 150 watt program rating on the speakers. But that is not necessarily true due to the fact that most of the watts going into the speaker are converted to heat energy and not sound (yikes).
Its hard not to want to turn the SHL-5's up on favorites due to the absence of fatigue. Better to let one's intuition and the numbers dictate safe levels.
"Yes, dear; those have always been there."
Cheers, Sonicray 09-06-10
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Wow,
I would have thought the Plinius would be a perfect match for those?
Terry` Terryhetzel 03-05-12
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker The Plinius is a smooth and warm sounding amp, a bit on the dark side. Matched with the equally smooth and warm Harbeths, too much of a good thing. Folks who predominantly listen to mellow stuff and vocals will prefer the Plinius/Harbeth combination. For a better portrayal of transients in music especially rock and dynamic music with lots of transient swings, there are other amps that can do better.
Listening preferences and patterns will play a part when matching specific amplifiers to speakers, although the setting up of speakers(placement and room conditions) will also be a huge factor. I've had the Harbeths in different rooms for almost three years now and they sound very different with the environments that they are in. I find the SHL5 to sound best in mid-field arrangement with a minimum listening distance of around 8', ideally 9' to 11'. Ryder 03-05-12
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Thanks for all the comments. I am considering buying a pair of Harbeth SHL5 for my 300B amp. My amp specs: power = 8W rms @ 8 ohm. Input impedance - 100k. It is a DIY amp. I understand SHL5 sensitivity is only 86 dB hence suspect it may not be optimal for my amp. All comments are much appreciated. Soonth 04-02-12
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker At first glance, I'd say that an 8W 300B amp wouldn't be sufficient for a Harbeth. But that is based on specs not personal experience. Also worth considering is room size, average listening volume and type of music you listen to. Roscoeiii 04-02-12
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Hello Ryder Please tell me what kind of stands do I see on your photoes? They look like Foundation but are not, I think. Saabuser 04-28-12
Review: Harbeth Super HL-5 Speaker Hi Saabuser, Those stands are custom made. Thin, hollow and lightweight open-frame stands. Ryder 04-29-12
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