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08-21-04
Great review. one of the best i've read on audiogon!br ... Muzikat
08-21-04
Agreed , outstanding review . structured well informat ... Brainwater
08-28-04
I stand corrected. the technics overhang jig is accurat ... Ekobesky
10-05-04
Spares for the sl are available from panasonic (http:// ... Ekobesky
10-06-04
Great review. i wish to make just a few clarificatio ... Kabusa
01-19-05
i got mine couple of days ago. not upgraded, just regu ... Eldragon
03-04-05
Does anybody have experience with upgrading the sl's wi ... lekkermuziekje@
03-04-05
Origin live offers a kit and it seems relatively easy t ... Ekobesky
05-25-05
I am a dance music dj, and i'd like to record electroni ... beefree303@
05-25-05
Ekobesky, should you ever choose to leave your d ... Mario_b
05-26-05
I had a 1200mk2 back in the 80's. i agree it is beauti ... Kevziek
05-26-05
to beefree303@yahoo.com: unfortunately, neither th ... Ekobesky
05-27-05
Great review ed, you could write for positive feedback. ... Albertporter
08-04-05
Why technics continues with this turntable is a total m ... Ferrari
08-04-05
I have to agree with ferrari on most of his comments. i ... Ekobesky
10-15-05
Wrong--both you guys. alex has said that the m ... Psychicanimal
10-16-05
It's possible the technics arm might outperform a rega ... Ekobesky
10-16-05
Ed - no sense in flogging a dead horse. however the tec ... Ferrari
10-16-05
Hello good thing i had a browse of reviews, and ... Lohanimal
11-22-05
Ed? i'm a bit perplexed!?!? "i've tried the te ... Slate1
11-23-05
When i said the results were "okay" i was referring to ... Ekobesky
01-15-06
I have a new sl-1210m5g and wonder what mats others rec ... Blmcycle
01-16-06
Nice review; i had one of these way back in the 1970s a ... Bobgates
03-25-06
Nice review and very helpfull. just went to the audio s ... yves@
03-26-06
I meant to post to this thread some time ago and didn't ... Zaikesman
03-26-06
This review, and most of the comments, are better than ... Eldartford
03-26-06
Eldartford, regarding your comments. sm ... Albertporter
03-26-06
Regarding the arm...it appears that vtf is provided by ... Eldartford
04-20-06
Dear ed i must complement you on your review of the sl1 ... Bigkev
05-22-06
Concerning modification and/or ideas on this turnatble, ... Citation16
05-22-06
Kab regulated power supply ps-1200 (or diy unit.) an ... Citation16
05-22-06
The acrylic platters i made for the 1210 are really 4.5 ... Citation16
05-22-06
"any comments on the sound effect or ... Zaikesman
05-22-06
I just read your post and find it very helpfull. i w ... Citation16
05-23-06
"in my mind, the acrylic mat opens u ... Zaikesman
05-23-06
Well, i first verified zaikesman assertion that the ... Citation16
05-23-06
Please keep the comments and ideas on the sl-1210 comin ... Blmcycle
05-23-06
Very interesting blmcycle,...what does the m before the ... Citation16
05-24-06
"it would be nice if they made an af ... Zaikesman
05-24-06
Citation16: the m6 thread is a metric size thread that ... Blmcycle
05-24-06
Quote :''i now have mine mounted on 4 mapleshade 2 inch ... Citation16
05-24-06
Here is another question for you 1200/1210 folks. what ... Blmcycle
05-31-06
Reading about sound dots applied to the tone arm counte ... Citation16
06-01-06
I treated my 1200 'arm with the music direct tonearm wr ... Zaikesman
06-18-06
I finally also got the mapleshade brass heavyfeet with ... Citation16
06-19-06
I think the power supply will be worth it to you, judgi ... Zaikesman
06-19-06
Thank you for your comments, possibly this ''quaveri ... Citation16
06-19-06
Not to disparage any of the respondents of this thread. ... Ferrari
06-19-06
Possibly, but what is the price of a p5, the vpi scout ... Citation16
06-20-06
One can get a rega p 5 or vpi scout in the secondary ma ... Ferrari
06-20-06
Citation16, how do you put a new arm on the technics? Drubin
06-20-06
Ferrari: i feel like "time, expense and grief" are prob ... Zaikesman
06-20-06
I found out about the fitting an arm on the technics at ... Citation16
06-20-06
'few upgrades in audio will ever have the full benefit, ... Citation16
06-20-06
Holy cow! origin live sells an armboard for the sl1200 ... Drubin
06-20-06
Dan: a target=_blank href=http://forum.audiogon.com/cg ... Zaikesman
07-01-06
Well i finally got the origin live arm board to fit a r ... Citation16
07-01-06
If you have a rega 250 arm - you must try this simple m ... Citation16
08-06-06
I finally decided to order the power supply from kevin ... Citation16
08-07-06
Told ya! :-) it's not just a speed-control issue: the ... Zaikesman
08-07-06
''...and i sense you agree it was worth the upgrade cos ... Citation16
08-07-06
Please describe the installation of the power supply. ... Blmcycle
08-07-06
Installation of the kab power supply requires only remo ... Citation16
10-08-06
Here is a link to an article about a shoot out between ... Blmcycle
10-10-06
Godd article. but had he compared the technics with the ... Citation16
10-22-06
For those of you asking questions about the origin live ... Jdcook
10-26-06
What cartridge are you using ? i had to get extra space ... Citation16
10-28-06
I am using a clearaudio aurum beta s ,and the tonarm is ... Jdcook
10-30-06
Finally i installed an ortofon om40 on my technics sl12 ... Jdcook
10-31-06
I am using a re-wired rb250 cardas. it has its own grou ... Citation16
11-01-06
The cartridge is at a fair price,it s the 1200 that is ... Jdcook
01-11-07
I also got a puck. it’s made of brass. under their are ... Citation16
01-12-07
Citation16: i haven't pried around inside my 1200 for q ... Zaikesman
01-13-07
The outer rubber casing is only mechanically fastened t ... Citation16
01-14-07
Well this was a useful education, i never knew the tota ... Zaikesman
01-14-07
...yes, reasonable... well i just spent the morning ... Citation16
01-16-07
There is another tweak that worth trying..but much more ... Jdcook
01-17-07
"...the isonoe feet that are made sp ... Zaikesman
01-25-07
I plan to open up the top of the table to see if the sp ... Citation16
01-26-07
Citation16: are you talking about the spindle per se, o ... Zaikesman
01-26-07
Btw, kab already offers a threaded spindle modification ... Zaikesman
01-27-07
I am sure the threaded spindle from kab would most like ... Citation16
01-27-07
"i am sure the threaded spindle from ... Zaikesman
02-08-07
I recently tried out the iron audio acrylic turntable m ... light12a@
03-03-07
Thanks for the excellent review. i've always been very ... mr.harrison@
03-07-07
Mr. harrison: since nobody that you called out -- or an ... Zaikesman
03-07-07
...continued (sorry, i hit the wrong button by mistake! ... Zaikesman
03-07-07
I'm baffled... Psychicanimal
03-09-07
For the record, i rely on the technics alignment jig th ... Ekobesky
03-09-07
Curious to know if anyone has experimented with, or has ... Tvad
03-16-07
I recently bought the kab rca terminal plate to install ... Blmcycle
03-23-07
Modded/re-wired rega rb250 yes it has been done ! re ... Citation16
03-27-07
After 20 years of an all-digital household, i gingerly ... blackmongoose@
04-03-07
''the st/str8-150 is undeniably a superior turntable to ... Citation16
04-03-07
First, the quote from needle doctor was taken from dj m ... Tvad
04-03-07
Btw, i tried to do a side-by side comparison of the sta ... Tvad
04-04-07
When i downloaded the user manual off the needle doctor ... Citation16
04-04-07
however, the fact that the measurem ... Tvad
04-04-07
From an audiophile standpoint, the differences between ... Johnnyb53
04-04-07
I was looking at a target=_blank href=http://www.needl ... Tvad
04-04-07
Ok. i was looking at the str8 (straight--get it?) 150. ... Johnnyb53
04-17-07
Hi, i'm very interested in turntables, particularly the ... tcd_email@
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable
One last point is that seemingly identical decks under identical test conditions seem to have different feedback performance. The first runs of the SL-1200Mk2 came without the Pocan middle layer in the plinth (just solid rubber), and are more susceptible to feedback. So if you're using decks of unknown age, that might be the reason. Virak 05-08-07
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable I had a lot of turntables, but the SL1200 mk2 is the one i have now and i'm happy with it. It's strong points are very accurate (i mean really accurate !) speed control, you just know the pitch is going to be steady within 0,01% , continuously. The arm is very good too. You can put a cheap MM cartridge in it (like an ortofon om20) and still have very good results. The start-stop button is nice to use too. What is also nice is the dynamics. Sounds just pop out the speakers, very rapid and dynamically. Bass is good too. Very dry balanced studio-like sound. Ok there are better turntables out there, but given the price the SL1200 mk2 is a no-brainer steal... A011996 09-03-10
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Well with the above post causing this most excellent review thread to pop up once again, I'm prompted (after re-reading all activity) to update my findings based on further modifications since I last posted.
Three more significant mods have been installed since the ones I've reported on previously (which were the KAB fluid-damper and KAB external power supply). These include the KAB strobe-defeat and KAB Cardas tonearm rewire, plus replacing the stock feet with ttweights.com's SoundPoints adjustable cone feet.
Strobe-defeat: Wonderful, no downside and a total no-brainer. Comes surprisingly close to being as important as the external PS, in some similar ways, yet is much less costly. KAB's slick mod (kit or installed) permits easy electronic switching of the strobe function via the regular power on/off switch with no cosmetic changes, but I suppose the same sonic improvement might be had for free by simply disconnecting the strobelight and foregoing switchability. (To me the main benefit of switchability isn't that I ever feel the need to sometimes use the strobe to confirm speed accuracy, but that it made performing extensive before/after sonic comparisons a snap.) Either way this is an essential mod, and kudos to Kevin Barrett (his original idea, based on his research).
Arm rewire: According to the conventional wisdom of the Web, one of the most-mentioned alleged strikes against the SL-1200 has to be its tonearm, and in particular its tonearm wiring. This KAB mod replaces the interior tonearm wiring with Cardas and removes the stock external cables in favor of a custom jackplate (RCA or DIN, mounted to the tonearm-side cover hinge receptacle, which remains functional). This is a more expensive and difficult mod (not available as a user-installed kit I don't believe), which of course also entails investing in your preferred set of interconnects.
For me the surprise here was how small of an improvement it made (with my reference interconnects that cost the better part of what the basic TT itself does, assessed in multiple real-time trials using before/after recordings made on my Alesis MasterLink -- I'm not a believer in the validity of single-trial comparisons dependent on arual memory over a weeks-long interregnum!). I found the midrange and treble texture was slightly more refined, as were transients, and the frequency extremes a little more extended, which overall led to a sound that was a little less concentated in the midrange and therefore smoother and more open and laid-back, but the differences were incremental, with preference subject to program material, and dynamics may actually have been a touch more impactful without the extra RCA connectors in the signal path. Probably the most consistent improvement was that voices sounded a little less nasal or gruff, a bit more natural. Naturally all this will be largely dependent on what interconnects you use, but apparently the stock Technics tonearm wiring and captive output cabling aren't nearly the handicap that all the talk (or humble appearance) would lead audiophiles to believe. Worthwhile in absolute terms but not a sonic bargain, though I don't doubt the price is fair (again excluding the need for interconnects). Do if you must to satisfy yourself, but prioritize this below all the other KAB mods -- in fact, don't do it at all if you're not also getting those other more significant mods first.
ttweights.com SoundPoints feet: Very expensive, but very well made and probably the only product there is for this application that combines integral fine-adjustability and locking, for perfect 4-point height adjustment without play or chatter. As these are solid coupling cones, you'll also need to invest in a suitable isolation platform to act as a vibrational sink (I use a Symposium shelf, sitting on compliant-polymer FoculPods to decouple from my rack and external impulses). Fit the turntable perfectly (M6 studs, aluminum finish), although the added height took a while to get used to visually.
With the SoundPoints' built-in adjustability, you use the studs only to screw their bases tight to the 1200's underside for maximum coupling, rather than for coarse, unlocked height-adjustment as with the stock feet (or any other replacement feet of which I'm aware). If your cartridge and the rest of your system justify it, a very effective method of revealing and improving upon the nontrivial limitations of the Technics feet (again assessed using controlled before-and-after recordings). In conjunction with the isolation platform, significantly decongests the soundstage, better defines images in (and in relation to) surrounding space, purifies textures and tonalities, reveals more fine detail, adds dynamic snap, solidifies the bass and lowers the noisefloor. Zaikesman 09-03-10
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Hard to believe this thread is still going strong, six years later. Zaikesman's excellent post reminded me that I've tried a few tweaks myself and failed to follow up, so I guess an update is overdue.
I've come to the conclusion that the arm itself is a generally sound device except for one element: the armtube. Ideally, it would be great if it could be removed and replaced with something more rigid. Until someone figures out how to do that, wrapping it with teflon tape helps somewhat but the result is too ugly to live with. Luckily, the more aesthetically pleasing KAB Fluid Damper cleans up the performance significantly, as advertised, and as a bonus allows the stock Technics arm to be used more confidently with higher quality cartridges including low-output MCs.
Coincidentally, yesterday on Vinyl Engine I happened across an October 1996 review of the 1200 LTD (a gold plated anniversary edition) by Ken Kessler in Hi-Fi News where he pressed no less than a Lyra (no specific model identified) into service and wrote, in part:
"I was slapped upside the head with a major dose of reality. The blow knocked out any last vestiges of resistance to direct drive decks...How on earth does such a subtle, delicate, quiet, commanding performance ever manage to adapt itself to deliver the brain-numbing, ear-bashing ruckus demanded by club conditions? Or more accurately, vice versa? It was like finding out that a John Deere tractor can handle like a Lotus and ride like a Jag...Nothing, and I mean nothing, indicated that the Lyra was fitted to something other than one of its normal rides. There was detail by the bushel, convincing soundstage re-creation, delicious background silences, top-to-bottom coherence...This DJ's workhorse is something of a Lipizzaner."
The Herbie's Way mat was another significant improvement. You can read about that in more depth here: positive-feedback.com/Issue46/...
A few other tweaks are worth investigating, including the Audio-Technica AT618 record weight from Japan and the aforementioned Sumiko headshell. I wouldn't be without either.
I settled (for now) on a Denon DL-103 cartridge because it seems to help the Technics open up a bit, but that's a matter of taste which addressed my own personal priorities. For those similarly inclined, word has it the Shelter 501 is even better at coaxing out a more expansive performance.
I've lived with a number of other decks in the intervening years. Some of them were superior, but the combination of the Technics' build quality, reliability, operational convenience, musical virtues, sensible price and cost-effective tweakability means it's never too far from my equipment rack. Ekobesky 09-08-10
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable I have owned technics turntables since 1979 with the original D7 and that was entry level. fell in love with technics since. Technics turntables are like volkswagon beetle or the air force's C-130 transport, been around since 1949. In other words, like the bug and the hercules(c-130) it was designed as a workhorse and made to last. The term built like a tank often said by owners is the most ACCURATE depiction of this great turntable. Sure denon made higher end turntables which I owned too such as the DP 59L SERIES built like a tank but on the higher end and the lighter DP 57 which is still a TANK. The technics sl 1200 is probably the most multipurpose turntable made. It may not be in the category of the ultra high end belt drives and the unique utlra high end MICRO SEIKI of the past, but like the volkswagon bug, the most versatie vehicle which people used to modify in so many configuraitons, the C-130 aircraft which is the most modifyable and long lasting aircraft made, the technics sl 1200 is in the same line of LONGEVITY AND WORKMANSHIP, designed for multi purpose and longetivity. The other work of art that the long lasting and tough SL 1200 is compared to besides the BUG, THE HERCULES, is the army's browning MARK 2 50 cal machine gun which was designed to last forever and no need of a design change since world war 1, and still being used today. The history of the technics sl 1200 turntable falls into those same engineering designs! Armyscout41 01-10-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable So I got myself an SL-1200 mk2 and wow what a difference over my fisher mt-6330--I got it for a steal @ $200.00 from a friend. I have exchanged several emails with Kevin from KAB and he sure knows his stuff. I have fitted mine similar to your setup with the exception that after an unfortunate (or in this case fortunate) incident with a swiffer duster; I replaced my stylus with a JICO SAS. Whoo boy... good sound? shoebetcha. However, I think I found the route I will go with my mods at this website: www.soundhifi.com/sl1200/index...
Every self respecting SL-1200 owner owes it to themselves to at least look at this site. Bearing upgrades, armboards, A ridiculous selection of mats, and also full tables for sale. I plan on going with cardas wires and a fluid damper from KAB. Then I plan on using an archomat, bearing, and power supply from soundhifi.
If I ever win the lottery or my rich uncle gets out of the poor house (lol) then I might do an arm upgrade with a more exotic cartridge. Kabusa have nice plinths as well which I have toyed with in my mind. However, I was a friend who is a woodworker and he volunteered to build me a very nice plinth and will be out of some mahogany with black(ish) stain to match the rest of my components.
I am also toying with the idea of a black overlay since my table is silver.
Long live the sl-1200!!! You are gone but not forgotten. Maybe technics will re release you and the venerable sp-10 one of these days. Also I wish technics would bring back the idea of the sl-120 which came without an arm. Or better yet an armless version with an intergrated adjustable arm board similar to the sl-1200 that accepts entry level rega and project arms but with the ease of vta the original offers... Just my 2 pennies...
Cheers, Ben Bc5k 01-17-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Small report: Got my first digital VTF gauge the other day, one of those newly ubiquitous Chinese jobs made of metal with a readout to three decimal places, that sell for around $80 from many sources (mine came from Acoustic Sounds under their Acoustech label).
I've never fussed or worried overly about my 1200's tracking force adjustment from an 'accuracy' perspective, just trusting that the VTF as indicated by the set-ring is roughly in the correct neighborhood and making my decisions based on sound and tracking performance when playing music. But my current cart does seem to track best and sound just as good at about .15g above the upper limit of its recommended range (1.65g vs. 1.5g), so I thought maybe I oughta get real and do a precision check, just in order to know whether it's the tonearm setting or this cartridge that deviates slightly from spec (to my ears).
Short story shorter, as far the 1200 goes I needn't have worried. It's probably been 2-3 months of frequent playing since I last had occasion to zero-balance the tonearm and reset the VTF, but straight off the bat with no fiddling or double-checking the digital gauge told me that I was within a couple hundredths of my intended VTF as indicated on the set-ring. So now I know that my cart really does do better a bit above its recommended downforce (and also that my eyeballing of the zero-balance is fine).
From what I can tell through multiple static trials (i.e., without making any changes), up to a couple hundredths variation is the intrinsic resolution limit of this digital gauge in any case (or at least in this application), so that much deviation can't bother me. I then tried different VTF settings in .5g increments above and below the normal range, down to 0.5g and up to 2.5g (not playing records of course, just setting and measuring), and with each setting, the actual force as measured by the digital gauge matched the tonearm's adjustment reading to within the same small margin of gauge error -- in the process confirming that my shiny new toy is basically irrelevent for my purposes.
So for me at least -- with good eyesight to balance the 'arm and read the set-ring (knock on wood) -- any potential issue of the 1200's inherent VTF adjustment accuracy has been laid to rest, and that spanky digital gauge will probably sit in its box on the shelf or get sold off. Zaikesman 03-05-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Great report, Alex! Drubin 03-05-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable This review came just in time that I get into vinyl again. I had a SP15 before with Ortofon SPU and it seemed likea a good match with SME 3009. I want to do the same again. My only problem is how to mount another arm to this, namely'another SME. Great review, thank so much. Csokayahoo 08-07-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Since a few have commented on this ancient thread, I might as well chime in. I haven't seen a 1200 in years, but way back when, I have modded several... Here are a few easy mods that made a noticable differnce. Use acoustical dampening putty around the motor, leave room for ventalation, putty the bottom of the platter, weigh out your putty in 4 equal parts and add to the bottom of the platter in sections. Heat shrink the tonearm. If you are savey enough rewire the arm. I preferred litz. Thats all i've got, I hope someone gets something out of this. Timlub 09-09-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Timlub: In addition to some other mods I probably mentioned above, among the items you list I have rewired my tonearm (Cardas/KAB) and wrapped it too (Music Direct Armwrap). I also tried adding extra damping material under the platter (adhesive-backed, constrained-layer polymer/metal-foil) but eventually chose to remove it, for making no noticable difference sonically while undoubtedly unbalancing it somewhat. But maybe I should try some kind of putty there instead if you found it effective. (In the meantime I deal with the platter ring via a combination of aftermarket mats.)
However, I'm curious about your statement: "Use acoustical dampening putty around the motor, leave room for ventalation". My question is, what do you mean by the word "motor" in this application?
The only moving part of the turntable's drive system is the platter itself; the 1200 doesn't use a self-contained motor assembly in the usual sense (its platter *is* the rotor, that is, it's the moving half of the motor, and there is no driveshaft). I don't see the point of adding damping putty around the fixed stator elements in the chassis which drive (electromagnetically induce rotation of) the platter, assuming that's what you did.
To do so would be little different from adding damping material anywhere else on the chassis, inside or out, but frankly it doesn't need it -- unlike its platter, which as you know is prone to ringing, the 1200's chassis is highly vibrationally-inert as-is. Although it presumably couldn't hurt, I'm doubtful that adding putty to it would accomplish much.
(As opposed to doing what I've done: Replace the stock feet -- like the platter, another weak point of the design for audiophile purposes, but easier to improve upon -- with solid coupling cones, then place the turntable on a vibration-absorbing isolation base that's compliantly decoupled from the supporting rack by self-damping footers.) Zaikesman 09-10-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Hi Zaikesman, Yes, At Marcof electronics, we used to pull the bottom and dampen the motor also for resonance transfer to the platter. We made our own mat called a glasmat and we glued it to the platter. Our putty as I called it was made for us and it was a silicon/latex product similar to rope caulk that you can handle. We also made our own cables. I still have some litz tonearm cables. All in all this ended up being a fine sounding table. At the time, we carried Oracle, Walker and Linn. A fully modded technics held its own. Still a little dry, but quite nice in the right system. as far as your mods, I'm glad they worked out for you, we never tried replacing the feet. Timlub 09-10-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable
"we used to pull the bottom and dampen the motor also for resonance transfer to the platter" For the mechanical reasons I outlined above (i.e, the platter *is* half of the motor, the rotor portion), I feel that as a definitional matter your description doesn't make sense in the context of the 1200.
(And in any event, the stator portion of the motor -- i.e., its fixed coil array -- which is mounted to the top of the cast-aluminum upper deck beneath the platter, can only be accessed from above by lifting off the platter, not from the bottom. However, there is no room around this assembly to add caulking here, not that there's any need to.)
IMO what you were actually doing is adding damping material to the chassis, plain and simple, I suppose in between the hard-resin middle layer and the underside of the aluminum top-deck and/or the heavy-rubber bottom encasing, wherever there was a gap you could fill with your goop.
Although like I said, this presumably couldn't hurt, I take exception with the idea that what you were doing was "damp[ing] the motor also for resonance transfer to the platter". To me that description doesn't apply to the 1200, and I find it misleading.
The reason I'm making a point of saying so is that there may be those reading this thread who are unfamiliar with the 1200, and could be given a misimpression from your statements about how the turntable works and is constructed. So I'll lay it out again: Any electric motor has two halves, a stationary half and a rotating half, and in this turntable the stationary half is the chassis and the rotating half is the platter -- there is no separate, self-contained motor/housing assembly, and no driveshaft.
My take is that vibration from the touchless drive system is the last thing anyone should worry about with the 1200. (Remember, since the platter/bearing is the only moving part, therefore the motor rotates at a low 33.3rpm, or about half a hertz.) However, it's true that disabling the stock power supply in favor of an outboard supply does have a beneficial effect, and part of that may certainly be due to eliminating vibration from the onboard power transformer. Zaikesman 09-12-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Just an added note to make clear, as with any turntable, there is still the issue of dealing with signal-correlated resonance induced at the stylus/groove interface, as well as airborne and floorborne resonance induced by the output of the loudspeakers. It is for these reasons why I find it beneficial to replace the stock feet with coupling cones in order to 'ground' the turntable to a good vibration-absorbing isolation base, that is in turn decoupled from the suporting rack (and floor). The stock feet, simply and unsurprisingly, aren't the best thing available for this job, provided you're willing to expend the resources necessary to improve upon them. Zaikesman 09-12-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Hi Zaikesman, Whether you think it is beneficial or not, thats what we did, never had any issues, dampening never hurts. We probably modded 50 or 60 tables over time. If I did one today for myself, I'd still do it. Thanks for the tip on the feet. If I ever feel the need, I'll take a look. The 1200 has a very nice platter in itself, but dampening the platter, clearly removed ringing. The good news is the 1200 is a wonderful perfomer, at its price it is hard to beat. Timlub 09-12-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Hi Timlub: Like I said, I pass no judgement on whether adding caulking to the chassis is beneficial in any detectable way or not, presuming that it probably couldn't hurt.
And also like I said, the platter certainly could use more damping than is provided by the stock mat. Whether adding caulking to the rubber-lined underside of the platter accomplishes this, or whether it is worth potentially creating some unbalance in the platter, is something I can't comment on.
My only point of disagreement was your description of exactly what you were damping (the motor) and what it was accomplishing (the damping of resonance transfer from the motor to the platter). As I explained above, I feel this description is fundamentally not applicable or correct, in theory and in practice.
I did question whether the chassis of the 1200 actually 'needs' added damping (unlike the platter, which definitely does). But adding damping is adding damping, and doing so will probably make some response change in any turntable.
In any case, I find it interesting to learn that your shop had occasion to perform those mods on so many 1200s! Zaikesman 09-12-11
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable Thanks Zaikesman, As far as dampening the platter... As I stated, we manufactured an item called glasmat. It was 1/4 inch of glass with felt on both sides. The best platter dampening we did was dampening the bottom of the platter along with gluing a glasmat to the platter. I am currently a Panasonic dealer (video) but this thread has brought back so much intrigue and so many memories, I just may have to buy One of the 1200 current versions and try it all again. Thanks for the memories. Tim Timlub 09-12-11
KAB PS-1200GX power supply for Technics SL-1200 In the summer of ’10 I acquired a Technics SL-1200/IIa from eBay. Within the first week I noticed that the transformer was transmitting some mechanical vibration to the cartridge. You can verify this yourself. Turn on your amplification and set the volume to the usual level; with the ‘1200 turned off, lower the needle to the lead in groove on the motionless LP. When the needle touches the LP the hum level should not change. Now turn ON the ‘1200, but don’t start the motor. Repeat the operation of lowering the needle to the motionless record, but this time you will hear a pronounced hum elevation when the stylus makes contact. With the ‘table turned on there is current flow to the transformer whose mechanical vibration is picked up by the cartridge. This noise will persist when the record is playing. The fact that the hum drops when the needle is lifted even 1 mm from the LP surface makes it clear that the cause is mechanical vibration, not electromagnetic induction. I removed the transformer, bolted it onto a wooden block and sat it on a different shelf with some connecting wire. Under the transformer and block I placed some packing foam. It looked rather shabby, but the problem was solved.
I further improved my turntable by upgrading the stock tonearm to an Origin Live Silver Mk II. It’s a wonderful arm. All the positive press about it is true, and you can check out an excellent review in sixmoons.com. As terrific as it was, the new tonearm didn’t solve a persistent problem with the ‘1200 that others have commented about: a dull recessed midrange. I swapped cartridges and made countless mods to my tube preamp to open things up, but to no avail. What solved the problem was replacing the stock thick rubber mat with a Funk Firm achromat 1200 – the version customized to work with the elevated outer rim of the platter on a Technics turntable. It took only 10 seconds to do a quick swap between mats to confirm: muddy, diffuse, dull sound with stock rubber mat; lively, more solid, better defined, and more accurate tonal balance with the Achromat. And realize I had already added some stick-on Cascade VB-1 sheet to the underside of the platter to dampen its ringing. Apparently the aluminum platter needs a lot of help in this respect.
As the OL Silver/II tonearm uses a Rega 3-point mount; by installing it I surrendered the ability to easily change the VTA that the Technics arm supplied. Later I took Pete Riggle’s VTAF (Vertical Tracking Angle adjuster on the Fly) along with his armboard adapter for Technics turntables. The adapter is superbly well built and improved on both the Technics and the OL mounts. The VTAF allows easy VTA adjustment and decouples the tonearm from the plinth. Big upgrade in convenience; huge upgrade in sonics! Read about it here: www.vtaf.com/id81.html.
I mention the above to show that I was starting from a heavily tweaked and much improved turntable - one in which I might be able to discerned fine differences from further modifications. I’m an upgrade freak and can hardly pass up any kind of tweak or mod. But I hesitated to take the KAB power supply/conditioner, as I felt I had already achieved much of what it had to offer by removing the transformer. I contacted Ken Barton who referred me to Zakesman’s review at this site. The fact that he could switch readily between the internal power supply (PS) and the KAB PS, and described much improved sound with the latter, closed the deal for me.
I got the hardware from KAB: PS-1200GX (power conditioner), in which the DC1200 (PS regulator) and SX1200 (strobe disabler) are included with the price. The PS-1200 is actually two units: the power conditioner and a switch-mode PS that plugs into the outlet. I don’t want to call the PS a “wall wart”, as it’s more like the AC adapter box your laptop. The main PS1200 box filters the voltage from the wall wart, er I mean, power supply. Both the output cable from the PS box and the output cable from the PS1200 are about 2 m – sufficiently long that they can be separated on different shelves. The PS1200 output cable is apparently comprised of 20 AWG stranded wire and runs inside the turntable and connects to the DC1200 board. The DC and SX are circuit boards that the user bolts in and wires up. The DC1200 regulator board replaces a board that contains a single transistor. It was a breeze to install and required only a wire stripper and screwdriver. The SX unit was supposed to come with wires pre-attached to the board and wire nuts, so that a user with no soldering iron could install it. That wasn’t the case; but fortunately, I’m quite handy with a soldering iron, so connecting was no trouble. The papers that came with the devices had minimal installation instructions, so one really had to use the instructions at the KAB website to figure things out. There was no need to remove the bottom plate of the ‘table - only the cover below the platter. For me, it was nice to say “goodbye” to the unsightly three sets of wires dangling out the back of the ‘table: AC line, transformer in, and transformer out. I suppose that most installers would leave the original AC power cord in place, but I snipped it out. It is no longer needed.
I installed everything at once, and then listened. I can say without reservation that I’m happy with my purchase. With the preamp attenuators in their usual position, as soon as I threw the switch, I noticed that hum was lower by 8-10 dB than before the installation. Cool! Most – maybe all – other Technics SL-1200 owners would not have removed the transformer, as I did, and would likely enjoy around 20 dB of total noise reduction. Reducing this amount of noise will unmask some serious detail! For that alone, it’s worth the cost.
The strobe disabler didn’t seem to do much to improve sound quality, but as I mentioned, Ken Barton now throws it in with the deal. Okay, maybe there was a tiny bit more clarity with the strobe off, but the difference was not pronounced in my system. The strobe can be enabled/disabled by holding the ON switch for 6 seconds, so it’s easy to do an A/B comparison. Apparently the strobe light mainly serves to reassume us humans that the quartz clock is doing its job.
But regarding the sonic improvements wrought by the other hardware – Wow! With a stiffer power supply, one might expect more sure-footed dynamics and better bass articulation. I got that – bass lines in either electric bass or bowed double bass are easy to follow. The dynamic aspect of plucked bass (and other strings, too) in the Tchaikovsky scherzo movement of the Symphony # 4, was as convincingly real in its tactility as I ever heard in playback. Both low level and macro dynamics improved. And there was more: more detail, more immediacy; mids were lusher, and highs clearer. Everything just seemed faster and more immediate, as I said. In short, I heard everything that Zakesman described, even though I started without the transformer vibration. The only drawback is that with other sources of noise vanquished, that other noise bugaboo (record surface noise) is more noticeable. What are you going to do? Shut up and enjoy the music. Moorel 05-21-13
Review: Technics SL-1200Mk2 Turntable @Moorel
Grave robber, never thought i would this zombie. Zenblaster 05-21-13
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