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i suspect i have been comparing apples and oranges. i just bought a project debut 111 with a shure m97x and after a month have been less than overwhelmed. when i go back to my emotiva cd/musical fidelity v-dac the performance just blows the table away. i have checked everything several times. i have concluded that due to using power cords and ics[all morrow audio] on my set up that each equals the price of the table i was expecting too much from an entry level table. the vinyl reproduction is not distorted, seems to be tracking ok, is set up with good isolation, and after a month of use...broke in. but the fact that the project has a hard wired ac cord and less than stellar phono wires and a inexpensive cartridge must be the reason. the rest of the system is emotiva usp-1 pre and xpa-2 power with mmgs. any ideas? thanks john
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02-04-12
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02-04-12   You are correct: "but the fact that the project has a h ...   Tom6897

02-05-12   I agree tom. i just thought there would be a bit o magic. it ...   Hotmailjbc

02-05-12   The two are just different. trying to compare is not very pr ...   Elizabeth

02-05-12   Liz is correct, " trying to compare is not productive & ...   Tmsorosk

02-05-12   The difference is $$$$$$$$$. i have lp's stacked to the cei ...   Orpheus10

02-05-12   Elizabeth: thank you. so well stated.   Rok2id

02-05-12   I agree. as a enthusiast i just had to buy a table so i can ...   Hotmailjbc

02-05-12   Well i'm going to have to disagree and say that (to me) viny ...   Markpao

02-05-12   Regretably, others have pointed out to "experience viny ...   Jwong

02-05-12   I will put it in a subtle way. cd sucks, so does computer. n ...   Inna

02-06-12   Inna i respect your opinion but analogue isn;t always better ...   Hotmailjbc

02-06-12   Inna i don't respect your opinion, what open mined person wo ...   Tmsorosk

02-06-12   The great thing about this "hobby" is that subject ...   Minorl

02-06-12   Evidently there are people here who are in desperate need of ...   Orpheus10

02-06-12   You can spend all the money you want, but the two formats wi ...   Kennythekey

02-06-12   How can anyone expect to resolve this issue, given the pleth ...   Rodman99999

02-06-12   Marantz new digital, is less digital than old theta; which w ...   Orpheus10

02-06-12   I don't think there will ever be a resolution of this issue. ...   Minorl

02-06-12   I wanted to add that i personally feel that both formats are ...   Kennythekey

02-06-12   I am able to enjoy both by not having to decide which is bet ...   Stl114_nj

02-06-12   I'm not trying to get you to throw more money into something ...   Kbarkamian

02-07-12   Thanks for the great opinions. yes kbarkamian i have read ab ...   Hotmailjbc

02-07-12   i'm a music lover first and foremost so i enjoy listenin ...   Tmsorosk

02-07-12   Since i listen to a "playlist" from the computer, ...   Orpheus10

02-07-12   Orpheus10, this is a good question, about why we are debatin ...   Inna

02-07-12   This discussion is like mm vs mc, tube vs solid state, etc. ...   Kevvwill

02-07-12   Of course, you need both, and i have to have both but would ...   Inna

02-08-12   This comment is almost on the same subject. i've been liste ...   Orpheus10

02-08-12   I own both and have spent roughly the same amount on both. ...   Kbarkamian

02-14-12   Good points kbark. but where you have tried to make your dig ...   Tmsorosk

02-15-12   Tmsorosk, i see why you'd think that i tried to make my dig ...   Kbarkamian

02-17-12   I'm a younger guy into audio. i run both vinyl and digital. ...   Bighead63

02-19-12   Only had a tt for about 3 months now, so my experience is ve ...   Gshepardbuster

02-20-12   I don't think it's the vinyl, i think digital has improved. ...   Orpheus10

02-20-12   My thought is vinyl sounds better then digital.   Dreadhead

02-20-12   Vinyl can be good, so can digital, but neither can hold a ...   Rok2id

02-21-12   Rok2id, you would bring a format which nobody owned but you, ...   Orpheus10

02-21-12   I'm recently retired after running a commercial media duplic ...   Avideo

02-21-12   Back in the day, the mid-80s i think, i remember reading a r ...   Rok2id

02-21-12   That laser that read lp's was eratic, i've got the review in ...   Orpheus10

02-21-12   I heard it at ces over 8 years ago. i then heard another tu ...   Mrtennis

02-21-12   Just because a person works in the industry doesn't necessar ...   Inna

02-21-12   "i don't want to hear this garbage anymore on this foru ...   Rok2id

02-22-12   Inna, hate to disappoint you, but it doesn't work like that. ...   Unsound

02-22-12   i recently paid $35. for a noisy record that i played on a ...   Orpheus10

02-22-12   "no person with good hearing will prefer digital as it ...   Hakuchosan

02-22-12   Yes. and one person's bias and narrow minded opinion means n ...   Tmsorosk

02-22-12   Entry level always infers less than ideal. digital vs vinyl ...   Mapman

02-22-12   There are several issues represented here and that is confus ...   Minorl

02-22-12   Minor1, i won't disagree with the specifics of your argument ...   Unsound

02-22-12   " go to a store that has both in high end equipment and ...   Tmsorosk

02-22-12   Add to that some analog info can in fact be missing - a scra ...   Kbarkamian

02-22-12   Unsound, another way to say what minor1 is saying is that ...   Learsfool

02-23-12   "digital always sounds less "real" for this r ...   Mapman

02-23-12   Learsfool, thank you for your thoughtful response. i respect ...   Unsound

02-23-12: Almarg
IMO the fact that digital is sampled is not in itself a persuasive argument in favor of vinyl. I think that most people, especially those with an understanding of sampling theory and digital signal processing, would agree that there must be SOME sample rate, and SOME finite number of bits per sample, which when implemented in well designed hardware in both the recording and playback parts of the chain, would result in digital inarguably being the better format.

Whether or not that point has been reached, or is foreseeable, or is even technologically possible, is of course debatable. But the obvious bottom line would seem to be that for each listener the proof is in the pudding (or more specifically, in the listening). Personally I enjoy both formats, and I find that the differences between formats are generally greatly overshadowed by the differences in the quality of the engineering and mic'ing of the particular recordings.

Regards,
-- Al

Almarg  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


02-23-12   Agree with almarg. the intent of the "sampling" w ...   Mapman

02-23-12   Al, i couldn't agree more. as i've said before, i have yet t ...   Unsound

02-23-12   Unsound, i absolutely agreement with you. tmsorosk, "m ...   Minorl

02-23-12   Learsfool; i like what you wrote. thanks,   Minorl

02-23-12   Thanks almarg; i wasn't arguing that because digital was sa ...   Minorl

02-23-12   Agreed almarg. these are just my thoughts by reading the man ...   Marqmike

02-23-12   that's basically correct, imo. the theory behind digital re ...   Almarg

02-23-12   Hi unsound - while what you say about some performers using ...   Learsfool

02-24-12   We have some great responses. i think i feel that it is stil ...   Marqmike

02-24-12   No attack was intended, my apologies. i simply meant, basic ...   Tmsorosk

02-24-12   "i think i feel that it is still so recording dependent ...   Mapman

02-24-12   Thanks almarg for the response. but you nailed it in your r ...   Minorl

02-24-12   Minorl, agreed on all counts. learsfool, and others who are ...   Almarg

02-24-12   "digital is an approximation" of the analog signal ...   Mapman

02-25-12   Good point mapman. with my system it's about 50/50 as to whi ...   Tmsorosk


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