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  Do you believe in Magic?
Audio Magic, that is.

Let's say that Magic is any effect not explainable by known physical laws. Every audiophile is familiar with debates about Audio Magic, as evidenced by endless threads about power cables.

I recently had an experience that made me question my long held skepticism about Magic. On a whim, I bought some Stillpoints ERS Fabric. I installed it in my preamp (which is filled with noisy digital circuitry) and a reclocker (also noisy) and...

Something happened. I don't know what exactly, but something. Two things in particular seemed to change... the decay of notes, and instrument timbres. Both changed for the better. But where did this change occur? In my listening room? Or in my mind?

If the change was in my listening room, then Magic exists. If the change was in my mind, then Magic does not exist.

One of the great Ideological Divides in audio is the divide between Believers and Skeptics. I honestly don't know if I'm a Believer or a Skeptic.

Do you believe in Magic?

Bryon
Bryoncunningham  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

01-21-12
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01-22-12   I doubt it's in your mind. if you listen to your system ever ...   Tmsorosk

01-22-12   Bryon, it isn't magic, all you did was put some shielding a ...   Chadeffect

01-22-12   Bryon, trust your ears, remove the ers cloth and see what ha ...   Charles1dad

01-22-12   hi bryon, that is a good thing, as i see it, because imo th ...   Almarg

01-22-12   Possibly by minimizing rfi it lowers the noise floor which e ...   Tubegroover

01-22-12   i agree with this. although a/b testing has its place, long ...   Bryoncunningham

01-22-12   A friend had this stuff inside his meridian 808.2. his appli ...   Tabl10s

01-22-12   Check out magic powers of ers fabric layed on the dinner tab ...   Marakanetz

01-22-12   hi bryon, electromagnetic field theory has never been a str ...   Almarg

01-22-12   Wow, al. stillpoints should hire you to write copy! :-) se ...   Bryoncunningham

01-22-12   hi bryon, that's a good question, and i would think the ans ...   Almarg

01-22-12   That all makes sense, al. still, i feel like there's still a ...   Bryoncunningham

01-22-12   You're welcome, bryon! glad i was helpful. i suppose it's c ...   Almarg

01-22-12   I used a liberal amount of ers fabric, and i didn't notice a ...   Bryoncunningham

01-22-12   Bryon and al, just saw this thread. fascinating and informa ...   Learsfool

01-22-12   Thank you for those kind words, learsfool. i very much enjoy ...   Bryoncunningham

01-22-12   I second bryon's response to your kind comments, learsfool. ...   Almarg

01-22-12   Other types of materials used to absorbe rfi emi digital has ...   Elizabeth

01-23-12   perhaps i misunderstand what you are saying here, elizabeth ...   Bryoncunningham

01-23-12   Not sure what is going on here. i don't believe in magic. on ...   Hifihvn

01-23-12   i've heard about this from several sources also. one proble ...   Hifihvn

01-23-12   The refferal was to the guy with the antistatic stuff being ...   Elizabeth

01-23-12   Thank you for clarifying, elizabeth. fwiw, my own personal h ...   Bryoncunningham

01-23-12   No one has defined magic. until this happens, non-elctronic ...   Mrtennis

01-23-12   Magic is perhaps best defined as making change happen in acc ...   Uru975

01-23-12   "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisha ...   Geoffkait

01-23-12   Mr tennis i can't speak for the op but it seems clear to me ...   Tubegroover

01-23-12   Wasnt that song by the loving spoonful.   Ebm

01-23-12   yes it was! john sebastian, to whom i referred earlier, was ...   Almarg

01-23-12: Bryoncunningham
01-23-12: Mrtennis
no one has defined magic.

I did. It was the second sentence in the OP: "Let's say that Magic is any effect not explainable by known physical laws." That is a definition. It may not be a definition you like.

i suppose in audio "things", which seem on the surface have no reason to have an effect upon the sound of a stereo system, might be construed as magic...

i doubt magic is the apt word to use to describe such a product.

Ahh... literalism. MrT, the use of the word 'magic' is ironic. I said as much in an earlier post. Tubegroover was exactly correct in his interpretation of my remarks. I'm using the word 'magic' to refer to an effect about which there is little understanding, even among experts.

The contrast to magic is mechanism. So that I'm not accused of failing to define 'mechanism,' let's say that a mechanism is any physical entity, property, or law that explains an observable effect.

That brings me to an observation about magic and mechanism that I hope will constructively contribute to this thread...

One man's magic is another man's mechanism.

That is to say, the understanding of physical laws varies from individual to individual. Al has an expert's understanding of physical laws. I have a layman's understanding. As a consequence, some things that are magic to me may be nothing more than mechanisms to Al. Put another way, magic isn't magic to a magician.

Which brings me to Geoff's reference to the famous Arthur C. Clarke quote about sufficiently advanced technologies being indistinguishable from magic. The essence of that insight is identical to the observation that one man's magic is another man's mechanism.

Which brings me back to magic in audio. No doubt there are some observable effects that are unexplainable to me but are explainable to experts. But there are other observable effects that are unexplainable EVEN TO EXPERTS.

And that is why I call it Magic.

Bryon

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01-23-12   "any sufficiently advanced self delusion is indistingui ...   Kenyonbm

01-23-12   A connotation of magic might be something which is perceived ...   Mrtennis

01-23-12   One major problem with a lot of these tweaks is the fact tha ...   Hifihvn

01-24-12   These tweaks, if one assumes they work, seem to indicate tha ...   Geoffkait

01-24-12   yes, room acoustics, vibration problems, and other variable ...   Hifihvn

01-24-12   You have a keen insight into what others know and appear to ...   Geoffkait

01-24-12   "perfect sound forever" another good example of m ...   Hifihvn

01-24-12   Glad to see you're coming around to seeing it my way.   Geoffkait

01-25-12   **** knowledge is not an absolute and continues to evolve.** ...   Frogman

01-25-12   One has to keep an open mind and byron and al do so in such ...   Nonoise

01-25-12   ****and we don't have the answer or the ability to identify ...   Frogman

01-25-12   "when it comes to this hobby, i have always found more ...   Rodman99999

01-25-12   I think that i have found a concise definition of magic: an ...   Mrtennis

01-26-12   I hear you about the placebo effect mr. tennis, easy to succ ...   Tubegroover

01-26-12   This whole discussion exemplifies everything i have come to ...   Sonicbeauty

01-26-12   Well sonicbeauty, wouldn't you agree that we wouldn't be &qu ...   Tubegroover

01-26-12   although you go on to say “i am not judging, no right or wr ...   Bryoncunningham

01-26-12   Some people can derive satisfaction from a transistor radio ...   Nonoise

01-26-12   As mystifying as the stillpoints ers fabric might or might n ...   Geoffkait

01-26-12   ok, now that is what i call olympic caliber chutspah!!! abso ...   Swampwalker


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