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Have a Audio Research Ref 3 and am considering upgrading the fuses but I am a little skeptical. Would like to hear from people who have try this. Hard to believe that fuses can make a substantial difference like the manufacturers claim. All advice appreciated.
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08-27-11
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10-13-11   When you upgrade fuses on an amplifier in addition to changi ...   Jedinite24

10-13-11   Jedinite24, i have been advised that the fuse next to the po ...   Milpai

10-13-11   I am lucky, i only had single fuse per component to change, ...   Lacee

10-13-11   Jedinite, if you haven't experimented with a good power con ...   Vhiner

10-14-11   Sebrof - "to me, this is the crux of the debate. when s ...   Jeff_jones

10-15-11   I am firmly in the camp that upgraded power cords, whether d ...   Lacee

10-16-11   Lacee - i'm in the camp that gives up after 3 pages of the s ...   Jeff_jones

10-16-11   Happy listening is indeed the end result ,and the intended o ...   Lacee

10-16-11   Did someone blow a fuse? happy listening, indeed, to everyo ...   Nonoise

10-16-11   Jeff, you did not comment on my nordost vs signal cable poin ...   Milpai

10-17-11   Hi you guys in my systems i do have aftermarket power cords ...   Jedinite24

10-17-11   Jedinite, i like my hubbels...it'll be interesting to hear ...   Vhiner

10-18-11   Carol 10/3 cables work quite well as power cord wire, but it ...   Lacee

10-19-11   Well, how conveniently do the non-believers ignore genuine r ...   Milpai

10-19-11   10-19-11: milpai well, how conveniently do the non-believers ...   Metro04

10-19-11   Oh well. milpai - what exactly is your point, how does it r ...   Jeff_jones

10-19-11   Metro04/jeff, my point was related to "generalization& ...   Milpai

10-19-11   I just came upon this thread and offer the following story. ...   Dougmc

10-19-11   Dougmc - what you say does make sense, however there is alwa ...   Sebrof

10-20-11   Milpai - "my point was related to "generalization& ...   Jeff_jones

10-21-11   Very interesting different takes on the fuse uograde advice ...   Lacee

10-21-11   Lacee, your experience mirrors mine exactly. this hobby has ...   Vhiner

10-22-11   Just to add another bit of info. i was glancing at the manu ...   Lacee

11-26-11   Well....ps audio is shipping their pwd mk2 upgrade board wit ...   Levy03

11-27-11   It's great to see that you are going to take the plunge and ...   Lacee

12-20-11   Audio magic just came out with their all new nano-liquid pre ...   Hifisoundguy

12-20-11   The flat earth society newsletter ( yup, they still print pa ...   Vhiner

12-21-11   I think it's audio magic that a company can sell fuses for $ ...   Audiofeil

12-21-11   I put off fuse exotica for as long as possible, but recently ...   Dgarretson

12-21-11   Has anyone actually tried the $60 audio magic fuses? that ...   Brownsfan

12-21-11: Lacee
Way back when, Peter Aczel had a magazine called the Audio Critic.
I subscribed to it, as I did to Stereophile and TAS.

Back in the mid 1980's I think, he ran an article about how damaging speaker protection fuses were to the sound of whatever they were used with.

He suggested bypassing them altogether , using speakewire or partialally clad solid copper wire.

Magnepan owners were the first to reap the benefits.

I am not surprised that younger Maggie owners haven't caught wind of this, because over the years Peter Aczel has become the poster boy against things that are purported to make an improvement.He is the great Myth buster to a lot of folks.

But have no doubt,back in the old days when he was young enough to hear differences, he was spot on about speaker fuses.
I took him up on his stand and until the onset of better made although prohibitively expensive for some($60. to $85.00)I used different chunks of solid copper and threw the cheap $1.00 fuses into the garbage where they belong.

Yes a fuse is just a fuse and it's only purpose in life is to blow if there is a fault somewhere in the system.
Except of course it's not that simple.

It's a sonic bottleneck that even old Pete heard back in the day.

So,is it that great a stretch to reason that if a speaker fuse degrades the sound that fuses in general degrade the sound wherever they are used?
Afterall until the high priced ones came around, most were the garden variety that the manufacturer had to throw into the amp so it would pass code.So most everyone had the same fuse, albeit in a few different configurations based on the cicuit.

Then after 30 years someone got wise and decided to market a better made fuse, unfortunately it costs more than the $1.75 some folks feel it should cost.

I am not saying that the price is a steal or a ripp off.
But someone is making money off the $1.00 fuse aren't they?

To me the deal was done years ago, fuses degrade the sound.
No fuse or a DIY bypass(try one in the Maggies)is better than the cheap ones that come with most gear.

I used to use solid copper and threw out the old stock fuse in all my gear, amps included.
I was lucky and never had a failure, fire or malfunction.

When the designer fuses came out I bought the Iso Cleans and after hearing what they did on my power amps I upgraded all my gear to them.

Now I use the HIFI Supremes,a bit more expensive, but I can afford to enjoy the improvement they make.

When you think about how much money is wasted on swapping out amps, speakers, interconnects, speaker wires, etc,the cost of a fuse that can improve your sound really isn't that much as things go in this hobby.

Some people have no qualms about spending big bucks on NOS tubes that may or may not improve your system and they may be of questionable vintage and quality.And those folks buy them on faith or word of mouth.

And yet the poor little upscale fuse continues to take a backseat.

I know I will never convince the folks who know the fuse can't make a difference, or convince those who think that $60.00 is akin to shutting the door on their kids education.
All I can say is that what Peter Aczel said back in the 80's still applies today, fuses degrade the sound.It's not fiction to me, it's been a fact.

The great thing is that now I get the added protection of a fuse without the degraded sound.

Lacee  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


12-21-11   Replaced all the fuses in my system sometime back with neody ...   Theaudiotweak

12-26-11   Magnets! now that's interesting. could you add some more in ...   Lacee

12-27-11   Lacee i have been using magnets instead of fuses as sugges ...   Theaudiotweak

12-28-11   Mr l- re: maggies and fuses. it's not difficult(in the lea ...   Rodman99999

12-28-11   Rodman,yes it is very easy to do,and when done, it's also ea ...   Lacee

12-28-11   Sounds like i was preaching to the choir. happy listening!   Rodman99999

12-29-11   Brownsfan, i just try out one of these audio magic nano-liqu ...   Hifisoundguy

12-29-11   Hifisoundguy, thanks so much for sharing your experience wi ...   Brownsfan

12-30-11   I bought the hifi tuning fuse - the $37.95 ones (basic ones, ...   Gbmcleod

12-31-11   Goodness gracious, i done got me a case of the vapors!! it' ...   Gbmcleod

12-31-11   No more calls! we have a winner!!!! and i'll just ask the g ...   Gbmcleod

12-31-11   There is a difference between the two camps. one side, call ...   Lacee

12-31-11   Gbmcleod, i *love * a guy who puts his money where his mout ...   Vhiner

01-01-12   Sure, vhiner. my intent was to allow someone with no money s ...   Gbmcleod

01-01-12   Fantastic quote!   Vhiner

01-13-12   i only wished they had these nano-liquid fuses many years a ...   Hifisoundguy

01-14-12   First i want to thank glenn for his generous offer on giving ...   Zmanastronomy

01-15-12   I've dad very positive results replacing the stock fuses in ...   Mross1949

01-15-12   The least expensive fuse upgrade is flipping all existing fu ...   Geoffkait

01-15-12   I've had the audio magic fuses in my magnepan 3.7's for abou ...   Brownsfan

01-15-12   Zman: we all love music, and sometimes, it takes someone hol ...   Gbmcleod

01-16-12   Wow, after 4 pages of all this about fuses, i am really begi ...   Stevecham

01-16-12   Nobody sways or converts? that's not correct. anyone who s ...   Lacee

01-17-12   Gbmcleod - i somehow just happened upon your post of 12-30-1 ...   Dadsears

01-18-12   In spite of the four pages of controversy, a consensus does ...   Vhiner

01-18-12   The "stock fuse" is the.. weakest link   Hifisoundguy

01-19-12   I recently tried an acme fuse in my pass labs xa30.5 amp and ...   Erndog

01-27-12   And....hereeeee's ...glennie! wow, i'm really becoming addi ...   Gbmcleod

02-06-12   I went ahead and purchased the supreme fuse for my cdp. i ha ...   Zmanastronomy

03-18-12   Has anyone else tried the new audio magic nano fuses? i hav ...   Audiotunesx

03-20-12   I have a theory on fuse directionality...i installed the hif ...   Aj_f75

03-21-12   Noticed i used 'voltages' flagrantly. although this is ac, ...   Aj_f75

04-13-12   I've tried it and it made a difference. it made my system m ...   Hkmatch23

05-12-12   I just popped in two 5a slo blo hifi supremes in my old acou ...   Lacee

05-13-12   Lacee, i know what you mean about more expensive upgrades n ...   Vhiner

05-13-12   How would that power cord sound now that you've got the fuse ...   Lacee

05-17-12   Lacee, good decisions *do* tend to have a cummulative effec ...   Vhiner

05-20-12   I can tell you from painful expereience that the hifi suprem ...   Lacee


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