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04-10-11
The cachet of unknown companies. romance in the audiophile w ... Elizabeth
04-10-11
Isn't adcom out of business? Linkster
04-10-11
I cannot concur with elizabeths statement. i patronage compa ... Isochronism
04-10-11
Oop. editor Isochronism
04-10-11
Most brands in high-end two-channel audio are made by one to ... Raquel
04-10-11
"i think those middle/large companies offer the best of ... Has2be
04-10-11
Elizabeth, i think that your statement borders on being an i ... Inna
04-10-11
Mrtennis, thanks for taking note of the sound quality of (at ... Audiokinesis
04-10-11
Regarding the "technical superiority and innovation&quo ... Photon46
04-10-11
Consider competition. a small company, initially has the on ... Mrtennis
04-10-11
I would put odyssey audio up there with the best of the smal ... Stereo5
04-10-11
Harmon is big and makes good products. i enjoy buying from s ... Hotmailjbc
04-10-11
I go the opposite direction as elizabeth. i hardly own anyt ... Jax2
04-10-11
Direct response to inna: the larger companies i prefer once ... Elizabeth
04-10-11
hey guys, i can give you both sides of the argument. i am ... Audiooracle
04-10-11
Large or small, i would trade off a small amount of sound qu ... 6550c
04-10-11
Thanks dave, for opening up and letting us know what goes on ... Elizabeth
04-10-11
Elizabeth, whatever you say is ok with me. you spent $12k on ... Inna
04-11-11
Point, match, inna. Has2be
04-11-11
Wow!!! Marakanetz
04-11-11
No offence taken, inna. the impression of snootiness hoverin ... Elizabeth
04-11-11: Audiooracle
Dear Elizabeth, I got from your answer, you don't like dealers. !
The fact that most of the guys on Audiogon, are ever changing equipment striving to get a good sounding system makes me disgusted with the bargain mentality that values price over knowledge and experience.
I have been in this business for over 25 years and I have sold thousands of components and assembled 100's of systems, to think that a hobbyist knows more than a good dealer is laughable.
The idea is to get off the equipment roller coaster and enjoy music! To that effect the hostility engendered against dealers on this site is a sad state of affairs, there are many good, caring, and helpful dealers that provide a real service a demonstration facility and the knowledge and experience to actually make someone's assembled bunch of stuff really work cohesively!
The problem with Audiogon is that it encourages this flea market mindset, instead of encouraging many users to seek the assistance of professional people that can really help them in their quest to make a real satisfying musical experience in their home.
Are there bad dealers yes, I used to work for SBS in the City where what the customer actually wanted came after profitability or moving what was in stock, with that said, there were a few great salespeople there.
When I started in the industry as a profession in 1989 there was a bond between the customer and the dealer, the dealer was their guide, and provided a real service.
What pisses me off mostly about Audiogon is that most of the posters have limited experience and many suggestions they make are wrong or laughable at best, I have read some excellent suggestions from some members that were right on the money, but the often dismissive and sometimes hostile comments directed at dealers is stupid.
How does a dealer know what he knows, why does he or she advocate the products they have, I would bet for most dealers it is the positive experiences that they have had in direct comparison to other products that they sell have forged their opinions and product lines, for most dealers, they have to purchase their equipment which puts them in the same boat as their prospective clients, we are both purchasers. I don't know of too many people who purchase stuff they themselves don't like.
If I was in it "just for the money" I would be selling loudspeakers from a certain company which makes very expensive and very particular loudspeakers which have come on very strongly over the last few years, after evaluating said product, I passed over it as I didn't think that this $25k loudspeaker was worth the money, I watched SBS pick up the line and make a mint with it!
The point I am making is that most dealers are purchasers just like their clients and as so they advocate the products they believe in and what sounds the best to them.
So instead of just thinking oh that is a dealer and he or she is just trying to "sell me stuff" think again, maybe that dealer is offering advice based on direct experience.
As a dealer, I am bared from selling many products across the States, and I encourage local patronage.
So next time you read a dealers post, and are dismissive think maybe this guy has walked the same path in different shoes.
I once talked to a guy who was looking to swap amps at a great expense when all he needed was a few grand in footers and tuning gear to get the results he wanted, no one who posted suggested that, it was equipment, equipment, equipment, not one word on tuning, and folks what makes magic isn't just gear it is the meticulous setup behind that gear, and for the record that guy never called me back or bought anything!
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04-11-11
hmmm, i didn't get that at all. the only time she mentione ... Jax2
04-11-11
I missed that one! anywho... i imagine there is an unknown p ... Isochronism
04-11-11
Regarding small vs. large companies and product quality - it ... Onhwy61
04-11-11
Small companies are for well educated adventurers with deep ... Mapman
04-11-11
Large companies gave/pushed quad 4 channel, 8 tracks, elcass ... Hotmailjbc
04-11-11
Too bad. impressing oneself makes no sense. and everyone kno ... Inna
04-11-11
I know nothing about either :) Isochronism
04-11-11
The only thing that now seems clear is that inna is better t ... Bizango1
04-11-11
Dear mr. dealer. unfortunately for many of us we have no a ... Herman
04-11-11
that's all? Jdoris
04-11-11
I sure didn't get that elizabeth was anti-dealer. i do appl ... Wildoats
04-11-11
"the larger companies i prefer once were small companie ... Has2be
04-11-11
Well the best example i can think of a small company making ... Tubegroover
04-11-11
Yeah, i tried to take out all the bad things i said, but i m ... Elizabeth
04-11-11
Let me add another issue here. the advantage of a company, u ... Mrtennis
04-11-11
I'd like to comment on one thing elizabeth said: "[c]l ... Audiokinesis
04-11-11
Interesting thread to say the least! i've owned equipment b ... Jazdoc
04-12-11
Many "big" companies ship containers full of produ ... Hotmailjbc
04-12-11
A couple of comments: 1) the wisdom of buying big-name prod ... Raquel
04-13-11
Best reason to "buy small": guys like duke, design ... Jdoris
04-13-11
Who is more likely to offer customized products, a large or ... Mrtennis
04-14-11
Is'nt it true that there are good and bad examples in all le ... David12
04-14-11
The money large companies spend on r&d gives them a real adv ... Tmsorosk
04-14-11
I suspect if a reliable and comprehensive study were conduct ... Mapman
04-14-11
The advantage of some small companies is that they are willi ... Mrtennis
04-14-11
Why is it that audiophiles are perpetually striving to defin ... Macrojack
04-14-11
well said, macrojack. Jax2
04-14-11
You guys are still overlooking the one thing that separates ... Mrtennis
04-14-11
Do we want a small company to built an amp to our specs ? h ... Tmsorosk
04-14-11
Not i. gordon rankin certainly does not need my advice to im ... Isochronism
04-14-11
Customizing is a nice option but not really needed by most. Mapman
04-15-11
I would certainly want to have a custom lamm. what would i w ... Inna
04-15-11
Inna, i hope that extra $10k doesn't come out of your prosti ... Isochronism
04-15-11
I have learned that getting involved in custom work is a goo ... Audiokinesis
04-15-11
Mrtennis - which companies have you approached to "modi ... Chayro
04-15-11
Mike elliot of aria will make significant changes to his ari ... Mrtennis
04-15-11
Changing op amps, resistors, caps and wiring can significant ... Mrtennis
04-15-11
. http://www.jeffreywjackson.com/ jeffrey jackson builds ... Herman
04-15-11
I can vouch for the fact the jeffrey jackson will customize ... Jazdoc
04-15-11
Isochronism, no, the prostitute account is totally separate. ... Inna
04-15-11
Wait, have we gotten this far without an atma-sphere mention ... Roscoeiii
04-16-11
Do you think ralph will design an amp from scratch ? how ab ... Mrtennis
04-16-11
Do we really need to design this stuff from scratch? if nob ... Mapman
04-16-11
Designing probably no but highest quality custom parts yes. ... Inna
04-16-11
The purpose of designing to satisify the customer is to prod ... Mrtennis
04-16-11
This thread reminds me of the good old days of buying diy am ... Tmsorosk
05-03-12
Tekton, zu and decware are three i have come across recently ... Mapman
05-09-12
For me it is hard to what are big companies and what are the ... Mordante
05-09-12
O think my intention of this thread is to imply that small c ... Mrtennis
05-10-12
I've always brought home possible suspects from my local sal ... Tmsorosk
05-10-12
Mrtennis, very good thread with well made points. i assemble ... Isochronism
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