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11-18-09
Kijanki wrote: "well - i'm my own playback engineer and ... Cbw723
11-18-09
Byron, imho we simply disagreed on the use of the term neutr ... Newbee
11-18-09
Cbw723 - no i would not adjust sound for individual songs bu ... Kijanki
11-18-09
Nothing creates as much discord among audiophiles as the top ... Tvad
11-18-09
Tvad - you forgot "analog vs. digital" and "t ... Kijanki
11-18-09
isn't that what part of what these talented people do? they ... Shadorne
11-18-09
I had a girlfriend once, who was quite neutral looking, neut ... Gawdbless
11-18-09
Shadorne - i don't question existence of better recordings o ... Kijanki
11-19-09
Great posts - byron, i guess what myself, newbee, kijanki, s ... Learsfool
11-19-09
Learsfool wrote: "i can tell you that no two of us woul ... Bryoncunningham
11-19-09
"i am actually somewhat agnostic." - don't worry, ... Kijanki
11-19-09
well, after 61 posts so far in this thread, i'll throw in m ... Almarg
11-19-09
Kijanki wrote: "no i would not adjust sound for individ ... Cbw723
11-19-09
Cbw723 - don't you have any financial limitations? if not ... Kijanki
11-20-09
I've been doing critical listening lately from 12-24" a ... Cdc
11-20-09
you may have an issue with room acoustics (extremely common ... Shadorne
11-20-09
al, we agree (as usual) - see the first posted reply in thi ... Shadorne
11-20-09
I started this thread with a proposal about how to identify ... Bryoncunningham
11-20-09
I like this definition, but what about imaging? couldn't a ... Cbw723
11-20-09
I think the original two point are valid but a third point i ... Samhar
11-20-09: Newbee
Byron, It's hard to argue with your new, or restated, position. Not many nits, for me anyway, that are worth picking or restating. But you lost me with your conclusion that getting to your optimum combiniation of resolution, transparancy, and neutrality, allowed one to get lost in the music. It may allow YOU to get lost, but consider that this is a very personal experience and might well not be shared by many others.
You have stated, under the caption High Resolution, High Neutrality "Its easy to get lost in the music when listening to this system........".
IMHO listening to MUSIC is easily distinguished from listening to the sonic character of audio components by playing recordings of music. And I think this is worth restating, especially for those who might be inclined to adopt your conclusion about the value of a highly resolved, transparen/neutral system.
When you have an audio system that is highly resolved and highly neutral/transparent etc, as you describe, you will hear all of the warts in the recording process including mic placement, edits, mixing, instrument highlighting, etc. None of which is natural to a live performance in any sense but which is a construct for the purpose of reducing the music to a recording format in a manner that will reproduce a sense of space when played back at home.
Of course the more successful the recording process the more successful the illusion when played back at home. The perfect recording played back over a perfect system in a perfect room would be a wonderful experience (I must assume I'm afraid - I've never heard it). Not live, but one you could certainly get lost in listening to the music. Maybe that proves your point, but........
Very few recordings come even remotely close to recording a performance in a natural style that comes accross as such when played back at home. If your interest is in sound and audio recording practices your optomized system is fine. You will hear all that is in the pits and grooves. But that does not cause ME to become absorbed in the MUSIC unless and until I have to trained my ears/mind to listen thru all of the artifice that the recording process adds to the performance or my recordings are, or close to, perfect replications of the live event.
I must conclude that if one is inclined to prize neutrality to the source more than some of us music enthusiasts, who are comfortible in seeking systems that manage to combine both resolution and tonality which may not be up to the sound enthusiasts level of approval, but which allow us to get lost in the MUSIC without the constant reminders that we are just listening to a RECORDING of music, that it is a perfectly valid audio goal, but it is not exclusive of other goals.
Before you consider posting and reminding me of all of your qualifying statements, as you have previously done, consider that this post would not have occurred if you had not made the statement about what conditions allowed you to get lost in the music. That statement, to me nullifies most of your qualifying statements and reflects your real priorities, which many of us do not share, no matter how artfully you try to present them. But since you want to enlighten us, let me share the spirit. The word 'unique' as you have used in your original post, is absolute, it cannot be (should not be) modified further by using terms like less or more as is so commonly done. And, FWIW, my musical collection is very diverse - I fail to understand how changing the quality of my audio system will ever make my collection more diverse. But then, I listen to the MUSIC in the first place, so would never make these errors.
Almarg, I tried but I just can't emulate you. Damm......:-)
Newbee (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
11-20-09
Excellent last several posts, most definitely including newb ... Almarg
11-20-09
"the word 'unique' as you have used in your original po ... Cbw723
11-20-09
Al - you have stated exactly the intention of my original po ... Bryoncunningham
11-20-09
Way cool discussion going on here. had a feeling this one wo ... Tholt
11-20-09
good question, t, and i think that the answer stems from the ... Almarg
11-20-09
Cbw723, you are right civility is very important and hostili ... Newbee
11-21-09
Fascinating discussion! newbee, i agree with you 100%. bry ... Learsfool
11-22-09
Learsfool - i agree with your observation that it would diff ... Bryoncunningham
11-22-09
It would be complicated for non-audiophiles to judge neutral ... Dgarretson
11-22-09
Dgarretson - great post. some thoughts... i agree with thi ... Bryoncunningham
11-23-09
Bryon, so much of this is about convergence. interesting sp ... Dgarretson
11-23-09
Interesting posts, guys. first, the 50k systems example. i ... Learsfool
11-23-09
Learsfool wrote: i am not saying that a musician's "t ... Bryoncunningham
11-23-09
Learsfool, there is a remote possibility that the gradual co ... Dgarretson
11-24-09
Hi bryon - i am once again thankful i became a musician, and ... Learsfool
11-24-09
Learsfool, all good points. regarding whether "converge ... Dgarretson
11-24-09
Incidently, in forums & industry market-speak the notion of ... Dgarretson
11-24-09
Learsfool - your last post contains many interesting and val ... Bryoncunningham
11-24-09
this idea is fascinating. you mentioned it in your first p ... Cbw723
11-24-09
Interesting points, guys. dgarretson, in general i agree wi ... Learsfool
11-24-09
actually, i think the water analogy is pretty apt here. sc ... Cbw723
11-24-09
Cbw723, i can't extend my experience of close convergence be ... Dgarretson
11-24-09
Learsfool wrote: i disagree that we cannot identify definit ... Bryoncunningham
11-25-09
Very interesting thoughts, bryon, points on the water analog ... Learsfool
11-25-09
You all realize, just changing the volume knob up or down a ... Tonywinsc
11-25-09
Learsfool - i agree that this has been a thought-provoking d ... Bryoncunningham
11-25-09
This simile of a filtering ski goggle is interesting, as is ... Dgarretson
11-25-09
If you really are looking for neutrality then get a frequenc ... Tonywinsc
11-25-09
Tonywinse wrote: this test of the value of neutrality is no ... Bryoncunningham
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