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Mrtennis, i have given up that quest, nor will i trust most ... Tbg
norm, don't tell me you purchased a speaker just because it ... Albertporter
not a single person on this thread, which is now up to 353 ... Bryoncunningham
What kind of equipment does this straw man own? Albertporter
You can record the sound over the air with a two channel pro ... 6550c
Swiss speakers are the most neutral. Michael02467
Bryoncunningham , you say, "or my post from yesterday.. ... Tbg
I was not addressing you, tbg. bc Bryoncunningham
The question is "how to judge neutrality ?" if ne ... Mrtennis
Hi mike: just a joke but "most neutral" reminds m ... Mrtennis
since... accuracy is a matter of degree. therefore... in ... Bryoncunningham
What you hear with neutral versus colored sound is analogous ... Mapman
Hi byron accuracy is not a matter of degree. something is e ... Mrtennis
Mr. T, any measurement instrument ever devised, for the purpose of measuring anything, has (or at least should have) what is commonly referred to as an "accuracy" specification associated with it, notwithstanding the fact that the specification arguably would be better referred to as an "inaccuracy" specification.
A thermometer, for example, may be "accurate" to within +/- 0.5 degrees. A scale may be "accurate" to within +/- 0.1 pounds. A speedometer may be "accurate" to within +/- 2 mph.
05-14-11: MrtennisAnd from the current thread on accuracy:
You may be confusing degrees of inaccuracy with degrees of accuracy which is illogical.
05-13-11: MrtennisYour comments strike me as drawing a distinction without there being a meaningful difference. Do the facts that nothing is perfect, and nothing is perfectly accurate, negate the value of either striving for ways in which accuracy might be improved, or striving to identify and characterize inaccuracies, and in the process hopefully making possible better informed tradeoffs between accuracy and subjectively pleasing inaccuracies?
You guys are forgetting about a basic fact. accuracy means perfection.
for example one inch is exactly one inch. in audio, all components have flaws. they are imperfect. therefore accuracy cannot exist .
it has nothing to do with listening. its the fact that all components are designed with flaws. you might be able to find components which produce a sound which provides sufficient resolution , a balanced frequency response, and other attributes that appeal to audiophiles. if a stereo system performs that way , where most recordings sound different and there is no noticeable consistent sonic signature, the condition may be "virtual accuracy", but a stereo system can never be accurate (perfect) since the components that make up the stereo sytem are not accurate.
And, btw, nothing is perfect, not even in nature. Consider the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. But fundamental to the design processes that underlie just about any engineering achievement are error analyses that address and take into account myriad contributors to inaccuracy.
IMO the fact that perfect accuracy in an audio component is neither achievable nor even precisely definable is not reason to declare inapplicable to audio the goals of striving to reduce inaccuracy/improve accuracy, and/or striving to better characterize the inaccuracy.
I agree with Bryon 100%.
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this sounded like helpful advice, so i did just that. from ... Bryoncunningham
Lol, bryon - nice one, bringing out bierce! Learsfool
Fwiw, mr t started out talking about 'neutrality' being an a ... Newbee
Here is what i found from the site: merriamwebster.com/dict ... Mrtennis
this issue is way above an english major's pay grade. it is ... Bryoncunningham
Once again i am in complete agreement with bryon, despite th ... Almarg
Bryon, your last post raises an issue i was not expecting. ... Newbee
you missed it? that's strange to me. here's what i found... ... Bryoncunningham
Bryon, fwiw, i've never considered the mere collection of co ... Newbee
your repeated calls for someone to definitively answer the ... Bryoncunningham
The latest part of this thread reminds me of one of my favor ... Learsfool
Truth is truth is a good place to start. i will attempt to ... Orpheus10
Orpheus10, i can only imagine trying to determine the " ... Tbg
Well without being at the recording venue all is moot. the o ... Pipedream
Pipedream is right. i will say that some recordings resembl ... Mapman
Audio is an illusion. any truth, to whatever extent ascerta ... Mapman
Mapman, i know all too well that your stance is just giving ... Tbg
Tbg, i have not given up on anything. in fact, it took a ... Mapman
Mapman, imho your last two posts are the soul of great wisdo ... Newbee
Mapman, i had an experience last night that suggests we have ... Tbg
Tbg, that's a recording i am not familiar with but has appe ... Mapman
Mapman, it is sinatra and basieís sinatra at the sands [vicy ... Tbg
I have a carefully assembled system but also one that due to ... Jult52
My dog seems to think a lot of what he hears me play is real ... Mapman
Dog reaction is an amusing test of a system's realism. after ... Bryoncunningham
brings to mind the most famous canine audiophile, nipper l ... Almarg
"that led me to the following idea: if, after changing ... Mapman
But we, or our brains are aware of harmonics and even notes ... Tbg
"but we, or our brains are aware of harmonics and eve ... Mapman
"for a split-second i thought someone was knocking on m ... Kijanki
Sound effects of things that you are familiar with in real l ... Mapman
I put out a recent post having not noticed this thread. in a ... Lohanimal
The room acoustics, is a least as important as a component. ... Peterbj
Lohanimal, you said, "one of the real problems of neutr ... Tbg
Exactly. the goal is to fool your ears into thinking it's re ... Csontos
Csontos, well it is great to be able to hear stellar perform ... Tbg
Hey, if you end up replicating the performance, all the bett ... Csontos
While sitting in the best sweet spot, i use a analog sound l ... Soundsbeyondspecs
I think weíve found the next big audio tweak - the adjustabl ... Phaelon
I never ever try and judge it when i've had a few too many. ... Mental
Soundsbeyondspecs. you just made me realize i'll never be an ... Donjr
Easy. soundsbeyondspecs is a dog! Csontos
Soundsbeyondspecs, i think that speakers and electronics cau ... Tbg
With all due respect, it is a ridiculous exercise imo since ... Csontos
About 2 months ago or so, i auditioned 2 speakers (call them ... Bifwynne
I don't think anyone will disagree with you. but if we reall ... Csontos
Byfwyyne, that's not uncommon at all. these people that set ... Donjr
Don ... i have heard or read that there are acoustic special ... Bifwynne