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  How do you judge your system's neutrality?

Here’s an answer I’ve been kicking around: Your system is becoming more neutral whenever you change a system element (component, cable, room treatment, etc.) and you get the following results:

(1) Individual pieces of music sound more unique.
(2) Your music collection sounds more diverse.

This theory occurred to me one day when I changed amps and noticed that the timbres of instruments were suddenly more distinct from one another. With the old amp, all instruments seemed to have a common harmonic element (the signature of the amp?!). With the new amp, individual instrument timbres sounded more unique and the range of instrument timbres sounded more diverse. I went on to notice that whole songs (and even whole albums) sounded more unique, and that my music collection, taken as a whole, sounded more diverse.

That led me to the following idea: If, after changing a system element, (1) individual pieces of music sound more unique, and (2) your music collection sounds more diverse, then your system is contributing less of its own signature to the music. And less signature means more neutral.

Thoughts?

P.S. This is only a way of judging the relative neutrality of a system. Judging the absolute neutrality of a system is a philosophical question for another day.

P.P.S. I don’t believe a system’s signature can be reduced to zero. But it doesn’t follow from that that differences in neutrality do not exist.

P.P.P.S. I’m not suggesting that neutrality is the most important goal in building an audio system, but in my experience, the changes that have resulted in greater neutrality (using the standard above) have also been the changes that resulted in more musical enjoyment.
Bryoncunningham  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

11-05-09
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01-23-10   Wow, what an academic series of discussions which have not b ...   Mrtennis

01-23-10   Learsfool, i don't think i can be as accommodating as bryon ...   Cbw723

01-23-10   Cbw, the example i gave in my last post was of computer musi ...   Learsfool

01-23-10   Learsfool – regarding the issue of what counts as a performa ...   Bryoncunningham

01-24-10   Correction: half way through my post, i wrote: "truth i ...   Bryoncunningham

01-24-10   Very informative post, bryon! i am still unclear on my orig ...   Learsfool

01-24-10   in a word, yes. a subjectivist does not believe in objectiv ...   Bryoncunningham

01-24-10   Very interesting, bryon, thanks very much for that very info ...   Learsfool

01-24-10   Learsfool - thanks for those kind words. i'm glad we underst ...   Bryoncunningham

01-25-10   Thanks for the recommendation, bryon. my uncle, who taught ...   Learsfool

09-08-10   Has there ever been the assumption that a photo or painting ...   Cdc

09-08-10   @ cdc, short answer, no and no. but who has ever mistaken a ...   Tholt

09-22-10   Tholt, i agree that for many, the fundamental goal of stereo ...   Cdc

09-23-10   cdc - you raise interesting and provocative questions, bu ...   Bryoncunningham

09-24-10   I agree with you. just because a recording is not perfectly ...   Cdc

09-24-10   thanks for the email heads up on this thread, i've been tot ...   Albertporter

09-24-10   "a camera has only one eye" it hasn't always bee ...   Newbee

09-24-10   Not all better tools belong to fools!!! nuance at some point ...   Samhar

09-24-10   Hi guys - cdc, bryon, and albert, you made some very interes ...   Learsfool

09-25-10   To pick up on something albert mentions in his post... the ...   Bryoncunningham

09-25-10   Interesting comments by learsfool and bryoncunningham. ag ...   Albertporter

09-25-10   I kept believing that digital didn't have it because folks l ...   Muralman1

09-26-10   Muralman - i know nothing about your system, and so i cannot ...   Bryoncunningham

09-26-10   Byroncunningham, i was reacting to comments made by posters ...   Muralman1

09-26-10   Muralman - i agree that noise, like distortion, diminishes t ...   Bryoncunningham

09-26-10   Bryoncunningham- you name two instances where i deem no conf ...   Muralman1

09-26-10   Muralman - i agree that the success of room correction depen ...   Bryoncunningham

09-26-10   Albert: i'll never, ever forget those incredible analog phot ...   Brianw

09-26-10   Bryoncunningham - i do know what you mean. i am rather embar ...   Muralman1

09-28-10   believe it or not those were from 4x5 film, the 8x10 camera ...   Albertporter

09-28-10   Is 8x10 suitable for any task? can you use it for late afte ...   Kijanki

09-28-10   Kijanki, the question began as a query as to how i achieve ...   Albertporter

09-28-10   Albert - thank you. what about large size digital sensors - ...   Kijanki

09-28-10   none of my customers so far are willing to pay enough for m ...   Albertporter

09-29-10   I bought recently panasonic lumix dmc-gh1 (a decent amateur ...   Kijanki

09-29-10: Mrtennis
mathematically speaking, it is not possible to assess a system's neutrality, bacause, the components and recordings are unknown variables, leading to a diophantine equation.

you can assess its resolution, and also get some idea of its inaccuracy.

Mrtennis  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


09-29-10   "can't miss judge wapner."   Unsound

04-05-11   I used to say "flat frequency response". while tha ...   Cdc

04-05-11   Ok, no one is contradicting my assertions. here is another ...   Mrtennis

04-07-11   ...if an optical lens distorts the characteristics of the l ...   Bryoncunningham

04-07-11   Ok bryon, i see your point. however, measuring the accuracy ...   Mrtennis

04-07-11   mrtennis - i agree with you that accuracy is a "multi- ...   Bryoncunningham

04-08-11   I admit that you can measure frequency response of a stereo ...   Mrtennis

04-11-11   as you no doubt know, there are many other measurements rel ...   Bryoncunningham

05-11-11   roysen – if you look at the posts on this thread, especiall ...   Bryoncunningham

05-11-11   Bryoncunningham, when you are assessing whether component x ...   Tbg

05-12-11   in light of this, i hope you will understand if i decline t ...   Bryoncunningham

05-12-11   Bryoncunningham, i agree.   Tbg

05-12-11   A contribution to the topic of neutrality was posted on the ...   Bryoncunningham

05-12-11   Since all components are imperfect, a thorough audition will ...   Mrtennis


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