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12-26-09
Hi byron: my point is simple: if you enjoy a stereo system ... Mrtennis
12-26-09
mrtennis - i disagree that the "analysis" of musi ... Bryoncunningham
12-26-09
Bryon, several posts back you raise interesting points by di ... Dgarretson
12-26-09
Bryon - analyzing or not is a personal preference but we dis ... Kijanki
12-27-09
"sounding better and sounding neutral are two completel ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Neutral is the letting the music on the disc to be fully rea ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Dgarretson- you suggest in your question that neutral is a g ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Muralman1 wrote "better is the listener's subjective no ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Kijanki, my view is that analytic & sterile err at the oppos ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Dgarretson - absolutely agree. the problem is who is the ju ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Complete neutrality, that is the live performance, cannot be ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Vince, i hope you realize that what sounds neutral to you mi ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Kijanki, let me give you an example. i have a dac that is tu ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Tuned to warmth - that is your preference. i don't care for ... Kijanki
12-27-09
You did not read what i wrote. i said i changed that colored ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Vince, i'm sorry - i read it too quick. Kijanki
12-27-09
There was an iteresting piece in stereophile edited by marku ... Mrtennis
12-27-09
Kijanki, warmth that lacks correct pitch definition is yet o ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Dgarretson - you're obviously in a "warm" camp wh ... Kijanki
12-28-09
Oops - did i say i want neutral sound? i guess we're all se ... Kijanki
12-28-09
Such descriptions of personal experiences regarding colorati ... Dgarretson
12-28-09
Dgarretson - i also like system a little on the warm side be ... Kijanki
12-28-09
It seems there exists a dichotomy--enjoment of music and ana ... Mrtennis
12-28-09
Dgarretson wrote: i completely agree with this. and: ... Bryoncunningham
12-30-09
Wow - i have been unable to read/post here for a while now d ... Learsfool
12-30-09
Learsfool, as one progressively raises the bar in the hobby ... Dgarretson
12-30-09
learsfool – i agree with this. my view is that, although pe ... Bryoncunningham
12-31-09
Dgarretson, i was speaking more of improvement in listener a ... Learsfool
12-31-09
what is the evidence for this belief? why is the effort to ... Bryoncunningham
01-01-10
Great ideas for a gazlay's sequel. Shadorne
01-05-10
When i began this thread, i advocated a strict kind of objec ... Bryoncunningham
01-07-10
Hi bryon - i have been out of town again for several days, a ... Learsfool
01-08-10
learsfool - i agree with you that audiophiles commonly lose ... Bryoncunningham
01-18-10
After ten weeks or so, this thread has slowed to a halt. in ... Bryoncunningham
01-18-10
Interesting. did you take the blue pill or the red one? Shadorne
01-18-10
I'm sufficiently out of it that i didn't get shadorne's clev ... Almarg
01-18-10
Bryon, your constructs are interesting, and in conclusion t ... Dgarretson
01-18-10
Nice concluding post. it does, however, raise the question ... Cbw723
01-18-10
like bryon, i took the red one. but that blue one can be ... Cbw723
01-18-10
Ultimately, i think most of us do not listen to music in an ... Mrtennis
01-20-10
Hi bryon - just saw your most recent post. very interesting ... Learsfool
01-20-10
Learsfool – interesting thoughts. as i understand you, you a ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10: Learsfool
Hi Bryon - good reply. I grant your point that 4) does not necessarily follow from 3) ( truthfulness of types of recordings cannot validly be inferred from the repeatability of types of performances).
However, I completely disagree with you about 4) itself. 4) to me is an obviously true statement (that's why I didn't mention it), and I am a little puzzled as to why you think it is false. Any recording engineer will tell you that electronic instruments are MUCH easier to record than acoustic instruments or voices. Despite the more complex wave forms today's digital systems are capable of creating, these wave forms are still far less complex than those created by acoustic instruments and voices (they still haven't even come close, despite the theoretical potential). The simpler the timbre, the easier it is to reproduce, and the easier it is to tell whether or not the reproduction is "truthful." Electronically produced sounds are also much less affected by room acoustics, at least when we are considering timbre, especially if the room in question is a recording studio. Electronically produced tones can be 100% controlled, regardless of environment, making them much easier to record. You brought up the point that we are less familiar with electronic timbres. This may be true, but I think that this is actually irrelevant, especially since as you said we are speaking of recordings, not the live event. A recording engineer can know EXACTLY how an electronically produced tone is going to sound. This is NEVER true of acoustic instruments or voices, even the same exact player of the same exact instrument in the same exact environment from one day to another. This is a big reason why engineers want to make sure that a recording of any given song or movement of a multi-movement work is finished in one session - it is simply too difficult to reproduce the exact same pitch level on a different session (which is why many engineers/orchestra conductors still forgo patch sessions when making a "live" recording). This is of course no problem for electronic instruments.
Based on the above, then, it follows that one can be much more of an objectivist about electronically produced music. The standard for judging "truthfulness" can be much more, not less exact than with acoustic instruments.
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01-21-10
Learsfool – i believe that you and i are talking about two d ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10
Hi bryon - to reply to the first part of your post first, i ... Learsfool
01-21-10
Learsfool - i am aware of the extent to which recording, edi ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10
actually, technically, that's a playback of a performance u ... Cbw723
01-22-10
Cbw and bryon - you both seem to be assuming that a "pe ... Learsfool
01-23-10
the idea that all recordings should be considered performan ... Bryoncunningham
01-23-10
Hi bryon - first, the performance discussion. all music mus ... Learsfool
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