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12-26-09
Hi byron: my point is simple: if you enjoy a stereo system ... Mrtennis
12-26-09
mrtennis - i disagree that the "analysis" of musi ... Bryoncunningham
12-26-09
Bryon, several posts back you raise interesting points by di ... Dgarretson
12-26-09
Bryon - analyzing or not is a personal preference but we dis ... Kijanki
12-27-09
"sounding better and sounding neutral are two completel ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Neutral is the letting the music on the disc to be fully rea ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Dgarretson- you suggest in your question that neutral is a g ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Muralman1 wrote "better is the listener's subjective no ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Kijanki, my view is that analytic & sterile err at the oppos ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Dgarretson - absolutely agree. the problem is who is the ju ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Complete neutrality, that is the live performance, cannot be ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Vince, i hope you realize that what sounds neutral to you mi ... Kijanki
12-27-09
Kijanki, let me give you an example. i have a dac that is tu ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Tuned to warmth - that is your preference. i don't care for ... Kijanki
12-27-09
You did not read what i wrote. i said i changed that colored ... Muralman1
12-27-09
Vince, i'm sorry - i read it too quick. Kijanki
12-27-09
There was an iteresting piece in stereophile edited by marku ... Mrtennis
12-27-09
Kijanki, warmth that lacks correct pitch definition is yet o ... Dgarretson
12-27-09
Dgarretson - you're obviously in a "warm" camp wh ... Kijanki
12-28-09
Oops - did i say i want neutral sound? i guess we're all se ... Kijanki
12-28-09
Such descriptions of personal experiences regarding colorati ... Dgarretson
12-28-09
Dgarretson - i also like system a little on the warm side be ... Kijanki
12-28-09
It seems there exists a dichotomy--enjoment of music and ana ... Mrtennis
12-28-09
Dgarretson wrote: i completely agree with this. and: ... Bryoncunningham
12-30-09
Wow - i have been unable to read/post here for a while now d ... Learsfool
12-30-09
Learsfool, as one progressively raises the bar in the hobby ... Dgarretson
12-30-09
learsfool – i agree with this. my view is that, although pe ... Bryoncunningham
12-31-09: Learsfool
Dgarretson, I was speaking more of improvement in listener ability than improvement in technology. It would be the former, not the latter, that would "liberate him to reassess and refine preference," no matter what the context. As I think I may have said some time back in this thread, one should learn something anytime one listens critically, even if it is one more way not to do it. As different audiophiles refine their own preferences in this way, these preferences should become more and more unique to each individual.
As far as technology is concerned, I think a great many audiophiles would argue that there haven't necessarily been any huge advances in basic audio technology in a long time now. Many people on this and other boards lament the trend towards more and more compression, etc. Certainly the "golden age" of orchestral recording was decades ago now. My point is not to start an argument over different types/advances in technology, but merely to point out that a new technology is not necessarily better. Also, as you implied in your last post, no matter what type of technology one prefers for the various system components, building a system with the best possible components is simply out of reach of most of our budgets. We all make choices based on what we can afford, refining these as we go along in this hobby. I have a few different ideas about the directions I would like to go with my system in the future, but they are on hold, probably for some time.
Bryon, I understand how you are differentiating priorities from preferences. However, I think that the latter should always determine the former, not the other way around. As far as "taste" goes, the interpretation my brother and I are using is the set of judgements about what is most valuable when choosing among characteristics, as you put it. Quality would have more to do with how close a component or system comes to matching the ideal playback characteristics in this context, though again this would ultimately be a subjective judgement as well.
I guess my feeling is that too many audiophiles lose the forest for the trees by getting bogged down in trying to eliminate various types of colorations, etc. This is ultimately a negative approach, and as several have pointed out, the search for "neutrality" usually ends up with a very lifeless, unmusical presentation. A better approach, for me, is to keep the concentration on the forest by choosing components that come the closest to how you want the music to sound overall. Analysis of different types of colorations can help this, but too much focus on it is detrimental in the end. The same goes for a performer that gets too bogged down in certain aspects of technique, losing the focus on the phrasing, for example. One of the most famous horn players and teachers in the country likes to say "analysis is paralysis." Some is very necessary, but too much is fatal. He also says that "technique should serve the music, never the other way around." Similarly, the overall sound of the system is most important, not any one particular detail of it. Put another way, one's system choices IMO should be much more artistic than scientific, the science being used in the service of the music, not indulged in for it's own sake.
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12-31-09
what is the evidence for this belief? why is the effort to ... Bryoncunningham
01-01-10
Great ideas for a gazlay's sequel. Shadorne
01-05-10
When i began this thread, i advocated a strict kind of objec ... Bryoncunningham
01-07-10
Hi bryon - i have been out of town again for several days, a ... Learsfool
01-08-10
learsfool - i agree with you that audiophiles commonly lose ... Bryoncunningham
01-18-10
After ten weeks or so, this thread has slowed to a halt. in ... Bryoncunningham
01-18-10
Interesting. did you take the blue pill or the red one? Shadorne
01-18-10
I'm sufficiently out of it that i didn't get shadorne's clev ... Almarg
01-18-10
Bryon, your constructs are interesting, and in conclusion t ... Dgarretson
01-18-10
Nice concluding post. it does, however, raise the question ... Cbw723
01-18-10
like bryon, i took the red one. but that blue one can be ... Cbw723
01-18-10
Ultimately, i think most of us do not listen to music in an ... Mrtennis
01-20-10
Hi bryon - just saw your most recent post. very interesting ... Learsfool
01-20-10
Learsfool – interesting thoughts. as i understand you, you a ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10
Hi bryon - good reply. i grant your point that 4) does not ... Learsfool
01-21-10
Learsfool – i believe that you and i are talking about two d ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10
Hi bryon - to reply to the first part of your post first, i ... Learsfool
01-21-10
Learsfool - i am aware of the extent to which recording, edi ... Bryoncunningham
01-21-10
actually, technically, that's a playback of a performance u ... Cbw723
01-22-10
Cbw and bryon - you both seem to be assuming that a "pe ... Learsfool
01-23-10
the idea that all recordings should be considered performan ... Bryoncunningham
01-23-10
Hi bryon - first, the performance discussion. all music mus ... Learsfool
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