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  How do you judge your system's neutrality?

Here’s an answer I’ve been kicking around: Your system is becoming more neutral whenever you change a system element (component, cable, room treatment, etc.) and you get the following results:

(1) Individual pieces of music sound more unique.
(2) Your music collection sounds more diverse.

This theory occurred to me one day when I changed amps and noticed that the timbres of instruments were suddenly more distinct from one another. With the old amp, all instruments seemed to have a common harmonic element (the signature of the amp?!). With the new amp, individual instrument timbres sounded more unique and the range of instrument timbres sounded more diverse. I went on to notice that whole songs (and even whole albums) sounded more unique, and that my music collection, taken as a whole, sounded more diverse.

That led me to the following idea: If, after changing a system element, (1) individual pieces of music sound more unique, and (2) your music collection sounds more diverse, then your system is contributing less of its own signature to the music. And less signature means more neutral.

Thoughts?

P.S. This is only a way of judging the relative neutrality of a system. Judging the absolute neutrality of a system is a philosophical question for another day.

P.P.S. I don’t believe a system’s signature can be reduced to zero. But it doesn’t follow from that that differences in neutrality do not exist.

P.P.P.S. I’m not suggesting that neutrality is the most important goal in building an audio system, but in my experience, the changes that have resulted in greater neutrality (using the standard above) have also been the changes that resulted in more musical enjoyment.
Bryoncunningham  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

11-05-09
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12-26-09   Hi byron: my point is simple: if you enjoy a stereo system ...   Mrtennis

12-26-09   mrtennis - i disagree that the "analysis" of musi ...   Bryoncunningham

12-26-09   Bryon, several posts back you raise interesting points by di ...   Dgarretson

12-26-09   Bryon - analyzing or not is a personal preference but we dis ...   Kijanki

12-27-09   "sounding better and sounding neutral are two completel ...   Dgarretson

12-27-09   Neutral is the letting the music on the disc to be fully rea ...   Muralman1

12-27-09   Dgarretson- you suggest in your question that neutral is a g ...   Kijanki

12-27-09   Muralman1 wrote "better is the listener's subjective no ...   Kijanki

12-27-09   Kijanki, my view is that analytic & sterile err at the oppos ...   Dgarretson

12-27-09   Dgarretson - absolutely agree. the problem is who is the ju ...   Kijanki

12-27-09: Muralman1
Complete neutrality, that is the live performance, cannot be fully attained by the engineers or the playback system. My goal is to bring out the best of what I have on the CD. That is my striving for neutrality.

Color is a fine for others. I know of one major critic of mine that says the more warmth generated into the music the better. He uses the cello as a favorite example. To him, the more voluminous the sound the better. Just load it up with euphonic tubes.

Sterile is another coloration. Real music is never sterile, well, almost never.

Muralman1  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


12-27-09   Vince, i hope you realize that what sounds neutral to you mi ...   Kijanki

12-27-09   Kijanki, let me give you an example. i have a dac that is tu ...   Muralman1

12-27-09   Tuned to warmth - that is your preference. i don't care for ...   Kijanki

12-27-09   You did not read what i wrote. i said i changed that colored ...   Muralman1

12-27-09   Vince, i'm sorry - i read it too quick.   Kijanki

12-27-09   There was an iteresting piece in stereophile edited by marku ...   Mrtennis

12-27-09   Kijanki, warmth that lacks correct pitch definition is yet o ...   Dgarretson

12-27-09   Dgarretson - you're obviously in a "warm" camp wh ...   Kijanki

12-28-09   Oops - did i say i want neutral sound? i guess we're all se ...   Kijanki

12-28-09   Such descriptions of personal experiences regarding colorati ...   Dgarretson

12-28-09   Dgarretson - i also like system a little on the warm side be ...   Kijanki

12-28-09   It seems there exists a dichotomy--enjoment of music and ana ...   Mrtennis

12-28-09   Dgarretson wrote: i completely agree with this. and: ...   Bryoncunningham

12-30-09   Wow - i have been unable to read/post here for a while now d ...   Learsfool

12-30-09   Learsfool, as one progressively raises the bar in the hobby ...   Dgarretson

12-30-09   learsfool – i agree with this. my view is that, although pe ...   Bryoncunningham

12-31-09   Dgarretson, i was speaking more of improvement in listener a ...   Learsfool

12-31-09   what is the evidence for this belief? why is the effort to ...   Bryoncunningham

01-01-10   Great ideas for a gazlay's sequel.   Shadorne

01-05-10   When i began this thread, i advocated a strict kind of objec ...   Bryoncunningham

01-07-10   Hi bryon - i have been out of town again for several days, a ...   Learsfool

01-08-10   learsfool - i agree with you that audiophiles commonly lose ...   Bryoncunningham

01-18-10   After ten weeks or so, this thread has slowed to a halt. in ...   Bryoncunningham

01-18-10   Interesting. did you take the blue pill or the red one?   Shadorne

01-18-10   I'm sufficiently out of it that i didn't get shadorne's clev ...   Almarg

01-18-10   Bryon, your constructs are interesting, and in conclusion t ...   Dgarretson

01-18-10   Nice concluding post. it does, however, raise the question ...   Cbw723

01-18-10   like bryon, i took the red one. but that blue one can be ...   Cbw723

01-18-10   Ultimately, i think most of us do not listen to music in an ...   Mrtennis

01-20-10   Hi bryon - just saw your most recent post. very interesting ...   Learsfool

01-20-10   Learsfool – interesting thoughts. as i understand you, you a ...   Bryoncunningham

01-21-10   Hi bryon - good reply. i grant your point that 4) does not ...   Learsfool

01-21-10   Learsfool – i believe that you and i are talking about two d ...   Bryoncunningham

01-21-10   Hi bryon - to reply to the first part of your post first, i ...   Learsfool

01-21-10   Learsfool - i am aware of the extent to which recording, edi ...   Bryoncunningham

01-21-10   actually, technically, that's a playback of a performance u ...   Cbw723

01-22-10   Cbw and bryon - you both seem to be assuming that a "pe ...   Learsfool

01-23-10   the idea that all recordings should be considered performan ...   Bryoncunningham

01-23-10   Hi bryon - first, the performance discussion. all music mus ...   Learsfool


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