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  How do you judge your system's neutrality?

Here’s an answer I’ve been kicking around: Your system is becoming more neutral whenever you change a system element (component, cable, room treatment, etc.) and you get the following results:

(1) Individual pieces of music sound more unique.
(2) Your music collection sounds more diverse.

This theory occurred to me one day when I changed amps and noticed that the timbres of instruments were suddenly more distinct from one another. With the old amp, all instruments seemed to have a common harmonic element (the signature of the amp?!). With the new amp, individual instrument timbres sounded more unique and the range of instrument timbres sounded more diverse. I went on to notice that whole songs (and even whole albums) sounded more unique, and that my music collection, taken as a whole, sounded more diverse.

That led me to the following idea: If, after changing a system element, (1) individual pieces of music sound more unique, and (2) your music collection sounds more diverse, then your system is contributing less of its own signature to the music. And less signature means more neutral.

Thoughts?

P.S. This is only a way of judging the relative neutrality of a system. Judging the absolute neutrality of a system is a philosophical question for another day.

P.P.S. I don’t believe a system’s signature can be reduced to zero. But it doesn’t follow from that that differences in neutrality do not exist.

P.P.P.S. I’m not suggesting that neutrality is the most important goal in building an audio system, but in my experience, the changes that have resulted in greater neutrality (using the standard above) have also been the changes that resulted in more musical enjoyment.
Bryoncunningham  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

11-05-09
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12-06-09   Trying to recapture live concert that i assumed was amplifi ...   Muralman1

12-06-09   with great respect, learsfool, i must say that i am similarl ...   Almarg

12-06-09   Learsfool wrote: to which cbw replied: if you believe ...   Bryoncunningham

12-06-09   Al, i doubt you are dying to hear from me again, but what th ...   Newbee

12-06-09   Bryon wrote: "is there a single way that a playback sy ...   Kijanki

12-06-09   if one's goal is less system coloration to increase the lik ...   Tvad

12-07-09   Cbw723, if you go back and reread the entire thread, you wil ...   Learsfool

12-07-09   Tvad wrote: tvad is taking up the contention, made by lear ...   Bryoncunningham

12-07-09   grant (tvad), newbee, learsfool, kijanki, this is exactly wh ...   Almarg

12-07-09   I don't wish to be placed in any neutrality camp since syste ...   Tvad

12-07-09   Al, i'm glad to see that i'm not the only one who has diffic ...   Newbee

12-07-09   Bryon wrote: "admittedly, my operationalization is only ...   Dgarretson

12-07-09   Dgarretson - well stated, summed up, and i agree totally. i ...   Newbee

12-07-09   The process of incremental modding leads me to the hypothesi ...   Dgarretson

12-07-09   Learsfool writes: you've asserted this point about a half d ...   Cbw723

12-07-09   Learsfool wrote: this strikes me as a strange thing to say, ...   Bryoncunningham

12-07-09: Dgarretson
Cbw723 wrote, "All that has been suggested is that components may have either more or less coloration, and that it may be possible to distinguish one of those conditions from the other."

My point is not too different from yours. Movement along a continuum toward a relative lack of coloration is possible. An advance in engineering and neutrality has been indicated when all variables of the listening experience are carried in the direction of preference. But if after making a change in your system you find that some of the variables of listening have moved opposite to preference, this indicates a lack of advance toward neutrality. Whether or not you prefer to stop along the way and accept a relatively colored presentation is your business. But given the way electronics function, the chances are good that a preferred coloration is accompanied by an unpreferred coloration, and one must make grudging compromise between the two. What colored system is without defect recognized even by its owner...

Dgarretson  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


12-07-09   Dgarretson – very interesting post. as i understand it: (1) ...   Bryoncunningham

12-07-09   Cbw723, bryon has indeed stated, in his post of 12/5, that h ...   Learsfool

12-07-09   Learsfool wrote: no! you are, once again, running two thing ...   Bryoncunningham

12-08-09   Ok bryon - i think we both have some misunderstandings about ...   Learsfool

12-08-09   Byron replied to my last post with questions: (i) what abou ...   Dgarretson

12-08-09   Learsfool – i apologize for the frustration i expressed in m ...   Bryoncunningham

12-08-09   What is the purpose of assessing neutrality, if the goal of ...   Mrtennis

12-08-09   Mrtennis, for me the interesting aspect is deconstruction of ...   Dgarretson

12-08-09   Bryon writes: i'm not sure i agree with #2. we've already ...   Cbw723

12-09-09   Dgarretson, that is probably the best description of the obj ...   Learsfool

12-09-09   In my last post, i suggested a definition for ‘coloration-in ...   Bryoncunningham

12-09-09   According to the advertisements i have seen on tv, wives hav ...   Shadorne

12-09-09   Shadrone, you are right. i put 4 of those little blue pills ...   Newbee

12-09-09   I used them to keep cables straight.   Kijanki

12-09-09   Dgarretson - i have a better understanding of the approach y ...   Bryoncunningham

12-09-09   As long as your are pointing a finger at transgressors to go ...   Muralman1

12-09-09   The distinction between "easy," "difficult,&q ...   Bryoncunningham

12-10-09   Hello bryon - i have carefully re-read dgarretson's alternat ...   Learsfool

12-10-09   Learsfool writes: i don't know how bryon will respond to th ...   Cbw723

12-10-09   The little blue pill may be a case in point regarding prefer ...   Dgarretson

12-10-09   Dgarretson – hilarious post. and informative. learsfool wro ...   Bryoncunningham

12-11-09   Very interesting posts, indeed. cbw, i did not mean to sugg ...   Learsfool

12-11-09   i'd like to point out that the title of this thread is &quo ...   Cbw723

12-11-09   Cbw723 wrote: "but the choice between more or less cabi ...   Kijanki

12-11-09   I have many things to say. first, many of the preceding comm ...   Mrtennis

12-11-09   Without disgorging the entire critical vocabulary, it may be ...   Dgarretson

12-11-09   Mrtennis - absolutely agree. it became academic discussion ...   Kijanki

12-11-09   Which part didn't you like, the viagra or the sex?   Dgarretson

12-11-09   Mrtennis wrote: these comments puzzle me. you yourself have ...   Bryoncunningham

12-11-09   "which part didn't you like, the viagra or the sex?&quo ...   Kijanki

12-11-09   Viagra and sex! i thought that shadrone's comments were the ...   Newbee

12-11-09   Hi byron: some of my previous threads and posts concerned d ...   Mrtennis

12-11-09   Bryioncunningham paying for new equipment may be hard. where ...   Muralman1


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