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  How do you judge your system's neutrality?

Here’s an answer I’ve been kicking around: Your system is becoming more neutral whenever you change a system element (component, cable, room treatment, etc.) and you get the following results:

(1) Individual pieces of music sound more unique.
(2) Your music collection sounds more diverse.

This theory occurred to me one day when I changed amps and noticed that the timbres of instruments were suddenly more distinct from one another. With the old amp, all instruments seemed to have a common harmonic element (the signature of the amp?!). With the new amp, individual instrument timbres sounded more unique and the range of instrument timbres sounded more diverse. I went on to notice that whole songs (and even whole albums) sounded more unique, and that my music collection, taken as a whole, sounded more diverse.

That led me to the following idea: If, after changing a system element, (1) individual pieces of music sound more unique, and (2) your music collection sounds more diverse, then your system is contributing less of its own signature to the music. And less signature means more neutral.

Thoughts?

P.S. This is only a way of judging the relative neutrality of a system. Judging the absolute neutrality of a system is a philosophical question for another day.

P.P.S. I don’t believe a system’s signature can be reduced to zero. But it doesn’t follow from that that differences in neutrality do not exist.

P.P.P.S. I’m not suggesting that neutrality is the most important goal in building an audio system, but in my experience, the changes that have resulted in greater neutrality (using the standard above) have also been the changes that resulted in more musical enjoyment.
Bryoncunningham  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

11-05-09
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11-25-09   Thanks for the clarification, bryon. i guess where we reall ...   Learsfool

11-25-09   Music is coloration- ie. a blend of sounds and overtones and ...   Tonywinsc

11-25-09   Hey what happened? i hope i didn't say something to spoil t ...   Tonywinsc

11-25-09   Tonywinsc - no, you didn't say anything to spoil the party. ...   Bryoncunningham

11-26-09: Tonywinsc
I saw that in the posts- as independent researchers many of us come to similar conclusions. Perhaps we are on to something.
Tonywinsc  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


11-26-09   here, hamburg is challenging the idea that items (1) and ( ...   Cbw723

11-26-09   Cbw, i think that the scenarios you have cited pinpoint some ...   Almarg

11-26-09   Cbw, loved your post! almarg, i have always enjoyed your in ...   Learsfool

11-27-09   Almarg wrote: al – i think you are probably correct that, ...   Bryoncunningham

11-28-09   Bryoncunningham, to expand further on your discussion about ...   Tonywinsc

12-01-09   Not all atc's are neutral. the scm 11 is described by john m ...   Cdc

12-01-09   When you limit a driver in the frequency domain, you also li ...   Cdc

12-01-09   this might be because the attack of the bass drum or toms i ...   Shadorne

12-02-09   Almarg wrote: and i replied: ...the concept of ‘neutral ...   Bryoncunningham

12-02-09   Hello bryon, i love your read. since i was impressed with y ...   Muralman1

12-02-09   Bryon, that all strikes me as brilliantly conceived and bril ...   Almarg

12-02-09   I need to add something. it has been my experience less is m ...   Muralman1

12-02-09   Muralman - absolutely agree - less is more. 0.5m ic is much ...   Kijanki

12-02-09   Good link shadorne, thanks.   Cdc

12-02-09   Almarg wrote: al - this is a fascinating idea. if i unders ...   Bryoncunningham

12-02-09   bryon, yes that is an excellent restatement of what i was tr ...   Almarg

12-03-09   Wow. fascinating posts, bryon. however, ultimately i remai ...   Learsfool

12-03-09   Learsfool wrote: learsfool – i did not mention eq in the c ...   Bryoncunningham

12-03-09   exactly, at least in the context in which we have been discu ...   Almarg

12-03-09   Hi bryon - obviously, the room has a big effect on how the s ...   Learsfool

12-03-09   Gee, i was only gone for a week or so and i come back to fin ...   Newbee

12-03-09   Fwiw, amoungst my failings, please include a total lack of e ...   Newbee

12-03-09   I think bryon and almarg addressed most of learsfool's comme ...   Cbw723

12-03-09   Al – i agree with everything in your last post. also, i was ...   Bryoncunningham

12-03-09   I find my system is most neutral at very high volume, at the ...   Musicjones4

12-04-09   A thought on the dilemma concerning increasing the degree of ...   Almarg

12-04-09   i agree with this. but i was mixing two points. my main po ...   Cbw723

12-04-09   that's the point that i'm questioning. let's say that you h ...   Almarg

12-04-09   Cbw’s eq challenge to my operationalization of ‘neutrality’ ...   Bryoncunningham

12-04-09   Bryon - i'm under impression that you discuss mostly frequen ...   Kijanki

12-04-09   frequency response has been mentioned a few times on this t ...   Bryoncunningham

12-04-09   Very interesting discussions, guys! bryon, i think you do m ...   Learsfool

12-05-09   how do you know how it supposed to sound? sitar from no ...   Kijanki

12-05-09   I think you hit a homer there, kijanki. hearing is an issue. ...   Muralman1

12-05-09   Learsfool wrote: learsfool - what do you think of al's comm ...   Bryoncunningham

12-05-09   Bryon wrote: "i do not believe that there is one " ...   Kijanki

12-05-09   Bryon, i have some more thoughts on the "excess contras ...   Cbw723

12-05-09   Kijanki wrote: again, i would ask: does coloration exist? c ...   Bryoncunningham

12-05-09   i think that this statement gives increased credence to what ...   Almarg

12-05-09   Al, i for one, have no reason why i couldn't agree with your ...   Newbee

12-05-09   i think it would be more accurate to characterize bryon as ...   Cbw723

12-06-09   which still leaves me with the question about timbre. it’s ...   Cbw723

12-06-09   Bryon, for the first time, i am truly puzzled by your reason ...   Learsfool

12-06-09   Learsfool writes: no, the thing being debated is how one ju ...   Cbw723

12-06-09   Cbw723 - aural memory of what? i've never been to recording ...   Kijanki


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