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01-11-09
I am feeling quite sea sick with all this boat talk. Gawdbless
01-11-09
But back on topic... my feeling is that it is a small market ... T_bone
01-11-09
There will always be a need, and a clientele for a high end ... Tvad
01-11-09
The uk has an organisation called bada (british audio dealer ... Gawdbless
01-12-09
that might be insulting if it came from a real man, consid ... Jmcgrogan2
01-12-09: Blindjim
I’m pretty sure those folks who can pony up the $$$$$$$$$ for Yachts & Bugatti’s aren’t too concerned with web sales of used audio gear. The one’s capable of laying out such copius amounts of money will continue to do so as the spirit moves them irrespective of current financial prosperity or woes. Speculative buyers, or collectors might well pull in their claws during such instances… or not.
Top tier stuff sells to an entirely different clientele. Dream systems aren’t bought by dreamers generally speaking.
When we were kids we’d all day dream out loud as to what we would own had we the $$$ for it. Eventually someone would opt for a Leer. Shortly thereafter another naysayer would chime in, “If you could buy a Leer jet, you couldn’t afford the gas for it! ”
I always thought if I could afford a private jet, gas would be the least of my worries.
When I was selling electronics, the owner of the building we leased dropped in to discuss the sale of it to us. This fella owned a goodly number of warehouses around the US. He was a car collector too.
He liked Fords especially. He had so many from the line, even FoMoCo would contact his ‘mechanics’ when another collector needed something special from an older model Ford he owned, such as a replacement part. His techs, upon approval, would pull the part off one of his cars, pack it up and send it to FoMoCo. FoMoCo would then fabricate several of this ‘sought out part’, sell the one in question, inventory another one or two, and send duplicates and the orig back to this ‘collector’.
As such, he’s never at a loss for new parts for his old cars.
Have your people call my people… we’ll do brunch sometime.
There are markets which will remain recession proof.
I think the list of buyers for the Hope Diamond, or Fabergee Eggs, were quite short… and financing was not discussed.
Uber expensive items aside… What continues to intrigue me is the ‘actual retail price’ of audio or video gear.
Just what is the actual price? MSRP?
I’ve always felt the ‘going price’ for a thing is simply what it can regularly be sold for.
Over inflation of a products list price is nonsense, and often laughable. Whatever it sells for in the end is it’s price. That’s it. Finis.
Any number of dealers or makers do submit to buyers a Yada Yada amp goes for $10K…. BUT they’ll sell it direct to you for $6K and avoid the middle man.
Hmmm. Then isn’t it worth only $6K?
For a thing to be worth $10K…. sales of it for that amount would be required to substantiate it… just saying it isn’t making it so.
Of course, those “people who have people” might have paid top dollar for it, though I seriously doubt it…. That’s why they have those “people’ around them.
No one, rich or poor, pays more than they can legitimately justify paying for a given thing.
The value of it is another story entirely.
I think that is where we find our own faults… we value certain electronic creations at times, more than needs be. You know… it’s one of them… Man! I just got to have that yada Yada preamp, or some such thing!
I’ve quit telling my friends what I pay for the stuff I get any more. … or anyone else for that matter.
I just tell ‘em to stay behind the yellow tape I have strung up about the rig and speakers, and don’t step on any cables, or touch anything… especially the remotes!
Oh, and yeah…. When they ask about my ‘antiques’, I say, “Yeah… They still make tube gear.”
Blindjim (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
01-12-09
Blindjim, what an interesting perspective...a man of great i ... Lrsky
01-12-09
well, now we're into a discussion of value...the undefinable ... Tvad
01-12-09
Tvad says: "teaching, or demonstrating value takes lo ... Lrsky
01-12-09
most audio nuts are dillitentes to varying degrees, and mos ... Tvad
01-12-09
For what it is worth i continue to support larry at hollywoo ... Ferrari
01-12-09
Jmcgrogan, "that might be insulting if it came from a ... Chadnliz
01-12-09
Hi larry, given the context of your writings, it looks like ... Brimac
01-12-09
Chadnliz, if that wasn't meant for me, i apologize. as i rea ... Jmcgrogan2
01-12-09
Chadnliz, i have noticed your last few threads on audiogon t ... Gawdbless
01-12-09
Gawd with all due respect stay out of it, john and i had an ... Chadnliz
01-12-09
I’ve never inquired as to how much a thing costs to produce. ... Blindjim
01-13-09
Blindjim has nailed it. 7 words "in a valueless societ ... Swampwalker
01-13-09
I have had the privilege of buying my equipment from audio c ... Blackstonejd
01-13-09
Many in this thread have focused on price. while equipment p ... Mitch2
01-13-09
old school themes in a new age of "me dfirst" & & ... Blindjim
01-13-09
Mitch2 has, imho, presented the history of the demise of b&m ... Newbee
01-13-09
Chadnliz, with all due respects to you to, this is a public ... Gawdbless
01-13-09
Life is too short to let things like that bother me after i ... Chadnliz
01-13-09
As manufacturers sell direct to consumers, they take upon th ... Mrtennis
01-14-09
i wonder what will be around longer... this website, other' ... Blindjim
01-14-09
Okay for what its worth here is more fuel for the fire. htt ... Ferrari
01-14-09
There is another subject on audiogon in regrads to 'vanderst ... Gawdbless
01-14-09
Another insight to the dilemma and i know these folks and th ... Ferrari
01-14-09
Its always possible that larger or more adventuresome ecomme ... Mapman
01-14-09
Gawd, the trouble with cheaper gear is folks like ones in ... Chadnliz
01-14-09
Chadnliz, i agree with you, but i do not want the trumpets ... Gawdbless
01-14-09
Repeating something i posted before...my grandson makes a go ... Eldartford
01-15-09
Brimac et al, great post, and well thought out. "seem ... Lrsky
01-15-09
Gawdbless, years ago, thiel sold more dollar volume, in the ... Lrsky
01-15-09
re vandy's big gun there are, amazingly enough, other mode ... Blindjim
01-15-09
Blindjim, several years ago, when i was involved in retail, ... Lrsky
01-16-09
Larry re "...letting $100k sit around is suicide...&qu ... Blindjim
01-16-09
First and foremost, this is my first post after reading thes ... Rella
01-16-09
Blindjim, first, my perspective, so you'll know how flawed ... Lrsky
01-16-09
Great post rella, and a valid point about the way audio stor ... Jmcgrogan2
01-16-09
Hi john: i'm surprised that you haven't found several compo ... Mrtennis
01-19-09
five years is a lifetime in this hobby, especially with so ... Jmcgrogan2
01-19-09
Five years is not even a blip on the radar. been at this sin ... Ferrari
01-19-09
Back to the thread: manufacturers have disenfranchised deal ... Mrtennis
01-19-09
'us' audiophiles in terms of musical equipment sales are not ... Gawdbless
01-20-09
ferrari, i believe you have misinterpretted the conversati ... Jmcgrogan2
01-21-09
Godbless i'm sure you know this, but i'll say it anyway... ... Blindjim
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