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  How can we settle for digital?
My friend, a recording engineer, once made a remark when I told him I had spent $3000 on a CD player. He said "How far can you polish a turd?" Those I know in the music business all agree that digital can only go so far. Vinyl is certainly making a comeback, but the advent of new digital formats seems to perpetuate new hope on the part of audiophiles. Do you buy it? Or are you sticking with your records? Or will you stand up for your $3000+ CDP? Is it just polishing a turd?
Chashmal  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

09-05-08
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09-05-08   Your friend's statement is based on the assumption that digi ...   Markphd

09-05-08   I have a raysonic 168 with cryoed nos russian 6922s. i use t ...   Tweak1

09-05-08   Speaking for myself on this one...but i dont have 3k + to sp ...   Riley804

09-05-08   I listen 50/50 to vinyl/cd and in 1997 spent $2500 on a meri ...   Stevecham

09-05-08   My $2500.00 cd player sounds way better than my $300.00 cd c ...   Bizango1

09-05-08   If you are interested in having access to the maximum amount ...   Viridian

09-05-08   I don't think everyone in the music business agrees that dig ...   Eweedhome

09-05-08   My playback designs mps-5 really does amazing things with my ...   Dcstep

09-05-08   My theta gen viii / sony 707es clobbers my dual 616q / adcom ...   Honest1

09-05-08   There was a cd player, vintage 1994, that i auditioned in an ...   Mrtennis

09-05-08   The linn ds changed the way i think about digital.   Fytunes

09-05-08   Are you asking us if it's foolish to spend $3k on a cdp? jus ...   Gs5556

09-05-08   My point was less about cdp's, which can be quite great, and ...   Chashmal

09-05-08   Gs5556 said: "i think what your friend is trying to co ...   Dcstep

09-05-08   We can't! and we won't! yeah!   Ncarv

09-05-08   I agree with viridian. too often on this site, people discu ...   Learsfool

09-06-08   I hope digital will make a rebound, only this time by upping ...   Albertporter

09-06-08   $3000 just to "polish a turd"? anyone considerin ...   Shadorne

09-06-08   We must remember that digital is only the storage format. v ...   Jallen

09-06-08   I wonder if most of the people who are knocking digital eith ...   Autosports

09-06-08   Digital is fine - for background music as i work & do not ha ...   Paladin

09-06-08   Before i had a vinyl set-up i had the emm labs dcc2se and cd ...   Bogartg1

09-06-08   I will always now settle for cd because a cd can last past 1 ...   Gawdbless

09-06-08   Digital is rapidly improving. we are no where near reaching ...   Tomcy6

09-06-08   whereas the forever warping, dusty, snappy, crackly, poppy v ...   Audiofeil

09-06-08   For once, i agree with mr. feil. ;-) dave   Dcstep

09-06-08   i have some albums with over 3,000 playings that are just as ...   Honest1

09-06-08   Actually honestless, it's approaching 50 years. and i belie ...   Audiofeil

09-06-08   tut tut boys....don't argue over your toys. it is getting d ...   Shadorne

09-06-08: Eweedhome
I'd like to address a point made by Bogartgl...namely, the EMM CDSA SE. I had the CDSA non-SE version only briefly, and thought it was good--in fact, better than anything I'd heard in that price range, and better than the Linn CD12 (against which I A-B'ed the EMM). But mostly I still liked my turntable better (where I could compare directly). Then the SE mod came out, and I left my EMM up at the dealer for quite a while for installation, during which time I was doing a lot of business travel, and enjoying my LP12/Koetsu/EAR 834P.

EMM had assured me that the SE upgrade would have only minimal effect on the sound. But I was stunned, and the dealer was stunned, by the difference, as was at least one other audiophile friend who heard the SE version. And in this, I agree with Bogartgl--The EMM CDSA SE really gives vinyl a run for the money...I believe more so than the 2 box EMM unit, frankly. It really is quite something, and I heartily recommend trying to take a listen. Ain't cheap, but it's not the most expensive SACD/CD player either. (And its virtues are clear on SACD or CD.)

And, to echo Fytunes (and my own earlier post, I guess), the Linn Klimax DS really gives the CDSA SE a run for its money...and very probably more so, the more I listen (except on SACD).

Based upon listening to both of these pieces of gear--the EMM CDSA SE and the Linn Klimax DS, I came to revise my view of digital. I think it can give analog a run for its money. I didn't think that 6 months ago. And, even still, I've got to say that, with the right Lp, my Linn LP12/Koetsu Black/EAR 834P (which is a really nice batch of analog gear, but is hardly the end-all, be-all in that department) will reproduce certain recordings in a way that I can't get out of digital. Period. So far.

If you've given up on digital, or are thinking about it, these two pieces of gear will at least surprise you. There may be a few other new-technology units that would do the same (such as the one mentioned by Dcstep), but I haven't heard them. But the point is, for those of us that keep thinking digital is just never going to make it (and I became one of those), there are still surprises in store, it appears. I'm certainly revising my view.

Eweedhome  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


09-06-08   I have not heard the emm labs cdsa se, and i would love to. ...   Chashmal

09-06-08   Question for audiofeil: which new emm or esoteric model do y ...   Chashmal

09-06-08   I have accuphase amplification and an arcam cd192 cd player ...   Mcgarick

09-07-08   Afile - i'm glad you've enjoyed listening to the same recor ...   Honest1

09-07-08   Ps- mr. feil - don't take my previous post too seriously. j ...   Honest1

09-07-08   Twice a week for 50 years would keep any man happy.   Shadorne

09-07-08   Chashmal, i will have to stand up for my $3000+cdp. it usual ...   Nilthepill

09-07-08   Nilthepill: can you be more specific about which 'ref' units ...   Chashmal

09-07-08   Audiophile dude, i am only going by what i have read. obvio ...   Gawdbless

09-08-08   "....can you be more specific about which 'ref' units y ...   Nilthepill

09-08-08   Is your friend named karl by any chance. if ao, he hates dig ...   Baranyi

09-09-08   don't underestimate how much bill likes abba's "dancin ...   Pauly

09-09-08   I have heard much speculation about record wear. i personall ...   Chashmal


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