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06-20-06
Whatever you like is good sound to you. Rwwear
06-20-06
As yogi might say, "if you like it, that's good." Coffee_nudge
06-20-06
Mrt, your intentions are good, but an answer to your questio ... Tvad
06-20-06
Whew, i ain't touching this one. rather read proust (in fre ... Warrenh
06-20-06
When you have an "eargasm" of course! Theo
06-20-06
Mr. t, i think you've described two types of listening: hyp ... Audiokinesis
06-21-06
"good" sound is completely relative to your refere ... Xiekitchen
06-21-06
If a bear farts in the woods, is the pope really catholic, o ... Jax2
06-21-06
I 2nd the first answer! warren i'm truly impressed that you ... Mechans
06-20-06
The opposite of bad sound. Catfishblues
06-21-06
With respect to yogi, "mrtennis, this post is like deja ... Fatparrot
06-21-06
What is good sound? well, how about this? "i like a du ... 9rw
06-21-06
Good sound has go with the fabric on the couch and the windo ... Jax2
06-21-06
9rw, rotflmao, go get'em! reminds me of how some folks seem ... Newbee
06-21-06
Jax2, regarding your first post. you freak me out, that was ... Nuguy
06-21-06
Marco, coffee_nudge posted a different "yogi-ism". Fatparrot
06-21-06
Merci, mechans :) Warrenh
06-21-06
There were two parts to this thread. the first part has been ... Mrtennis
06-21-06
Mrtennis, i think you present an illusory dichotomy. the p ... Donbellphd
06-21-06
The dichotomy is not illusory. there are two ways to judge t ... Mrtennis
06-21-06
Mrtennis: enlighten us. 9rw
06-21-06
i never reject any position that produces good sound. :) Tvad
06-21-06
Fatparrot - yeah, i know, i was playin' off your quote...ya' ... Jax2
06-21-06
First mr. tennis, i must thank you because, if it weren’t fo ... Catfishblues
06-22-06
Mrtennis, if by equipment-based, you mean evaluating equipm ... Donbellphd
06-22-06
Hi lenny. you are discussing another topic. let me restate ... Mrtennis
06-22-06
Mrtennis, why do you want to "change attitudes about wh ... inpepinnovations@
06-22-06
Mrtennis, you've have to too much time on your hands. how 'b ... Warrenh
06-22-06
“there are two ways to evaluate a stereo system." &quo ... Catfishblues
06-22-06
Theo is an "eargasm" anything like "aural sex ... Cdc
06-22-06
Let me take a stab at it. i think what mr tennis really mea ... Nilthepill
06-22-06
Mrt is a find mucker, plain and simple. it's how he entertai ... Tvad
06-22-06
futher mucking find mucker, mucked my find and now my noggi ... Jax2
06-22-06
i'll try one last time. there are two ways to approach th ... Mrtennis
06-23-06
Mr t, are you getting the hint? most of us are goofing witc ... Warrenh
06-23-06
Mrtennis: to quote from a true classic, "surrender doro ... 9rw
06-23-06
Good sound is like good music Shadorne
06-23-06
9rw, chill out and take an anger management course. i appre ... Mrtennis
06-23-06
Mrtennis: who's angry? you already have a forum for your non ... 9rw
06-23-06
an ongoing suggestion in many mrt threads. you must have som ... Tvad
06-23-06
Jeeze, talk about someone who needs an anger management cour ... Newbee
06-23-06: Aroc
Something that makes you want to either sit and listen or shell out money for it in the first place. Then that is good. It's sound that gets out of the music just far enough to actually let you appreciate the music.
or taken another way...
Conan what is best in life?
To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And hear the lamentation of their women.
That is good!
Good isn't quite as good as "best" but Conan at least has the idea.
As for listen vs. system? As long as the biases are disclosed (or easy to determine) I don't have a problem with a listener making a value or subjective call. Although I would prefer they at least back it up with something concrete. I don't really see how you would separate the two. WE could simply listen with test equipment (JA tries this in Stereophile with him measurements) but the measurements either do not tell the whole story or are misleading. So we are stuck with both.
What good is transparency, neutrality, and accuracy if you don't like the resultant sound? It is good or not? Yes AND no. Hence the problem and the constant bickering. Somethings can be universally accepted as good but it doesn't mean people will like it. There are lots of "good" people that I wouldn't want to live with with. Are they still good? I don't like them. They are good unless I equate like with good. In which case they are not good. Or taking driving. Everyone considers themselves to be a good or above average driver (amazing, huh?). The problem is everyone follows a different set of manners and rules that are largely incompatible or mutually exclusive from each other.
see the problem?
The orginal premise is shooting to see if we (and people) can agree to compare things on a apples-to-apple basis. This will not be possible. The original premise also states us to choose are preference and defend it.
In my case this depends on the goal. If I'm evaluating the stereo for me, then only my perceptions matter. I like my distorting tube amps and crackly vinyl. Soemone else can keep their squeakly clean, Stepford Wife of a digital/transitor system to themselves. That's their business. If I'm evaluating something to for sake of comparing, then I'll judge the system itself and attempt to use some sort of common language to describe or rate it. Therefore I can "describe" or "rate" it to be good. But if I'm going to "judge" it as good, then enter the listener biases.
That's my take. Tennis anyone? Not for me. I play racquetball.
Great post, by the way.
Aroc (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
06-23-06
9rw, i'm glad you are being entertained. i should charge yo ... Mrtennis
06-23-06
Actually, roy harris, you're the reason some of us may need ... 9rw
06-23-06
9rw, how does your wife put up with you ? you have such a p ... Mrtennis
06-23-06
Well, actually, people do say something about her being a sa ... 9rw
06-24-06
Tell'em bout' his mamma!!! it's friendly banter like this ... Jax2
06-23-06
Mrtennis, i think you are not a serious person nor should y ... Donbellphd
09-24-06
I find some of mrtennis's threads entertaining & fun, if not ... Phd
09-25-06
Hi phd: my thought behind this question is the reference fo ... Mrtennis
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