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Very nice - they look much better than the silver-grey ones ... Metralla
Wow, very darth vader looking! the dark side flatters your r ... Cjfrbw
System updated; finally was able to download some vr9 pictur ... Mikelavigne
Would love to hear the things now ! will have to wait to he ... Thom_y
Those black 'beauties' are owned by a local friend. my cherr ... Mikelavigne
Why did i buy new speakers? why did i build a new room? so ... Mikelavigne
2 1000 watt 15" subs will do that for you, welcome to t ... Cinematic_systems
Mike, the picture is really nice. thanks for sharing with us ... blueguitar111@
Mike, glad to see you are enjoying your new speakers. the ... morbius@
Mike, have you ever tried the prana wire cosmos speaker cab ... Hifimaniac
Hihimaniac; back in 2003 joesph cohen sent me a pair of his ... Mikelavigne
Cinematic systems; i had seriously considered adding subs t ... Mikelavigne
Mike how did you find the tenor's vs the dartzeel with the v ... Mmalin
Mmalin; both amps are really excellent with the vr9's. as th ... Mikelavigne
Mike - congratulations on your new speakers! the pictures l ... Skushino
Mike, i notice that with the kharmas, you have no toe in, bu ... Ericeash
Scott; thanks. yes, the kharma's were (and are) terrific.... ... Mikelavigne
Absolutely fantastic Case04
Case04, thanks for the kind comment.
OK.....here's my problem. i KNOW that this is just going to get better as i dial these 'bad boys' in......but right now i have a huge shit-eat'n grin on my face.....the sound is fantastic.....the music is just sooo real. so how can i stay 'reasonable' and leave myself room for better performance? the words that come to mind are not cautious or conservative......they are 'over the top' since that is how i FEEL right now about the performance of these speakers.
last week i took the DarTZeel back to the distributor. my conclusion regarding the Tenor Hybrid compared to the DarTZeel is that as my system is currently configured the Tenors are overall a better match and more musically satisfying. OTOH i expect that my ultimate solution will include vertically bi-amped DarTZeel amps and a DarTZeel preamp. the single DarTZeel was not the best match for my Placette passive RVC whereas the Tenor Hybrids are a perfect match (the Tenor designer voiced them with a resistive based passive pre) so the Tenors are about perfectly implemented as my system is currently configured.
my cables are also not ideal for the DarTZeel whereas they work perfectly with the Tenor sound.
all that said, the DarTZeel and the Tenor Hybrids are my two favorite amps.....the Dart having a slightly lower noisefloor, a slightly greater sense of immediacy, a slightly better transient snap and a little more of a transparent sound. the Dart has no solid state signature of any kind and is completely natural sounding. the Tenor Hybrid is very close to the Dart in all those areas......plus.....it is more marco and micro dynamic, has a greater sense of heft and body, fleshes out the mid-range better, and has a wonderful sparkle and fire that is uniquely Tenor. there is a flow and pace to the Tenors that the single Dart simply cannot match. with the 94db VR9's the 300 watt Tenor Hybrids seem to posses limitless dynamics and ease (as you would expect) and yet easily present the most delicate and nuanced detail and micro-dynamic shift.
as much as i have always loved the Tenors.....they are showing me things on the VR9's in my room i have never heard before.
back to these speakers; i have moved the VR9's around a little more.....they are now another 6 inches back of the last spot (a total of 9 inches back of they original spot) and 2 inches more toward the center of the room (total of 5 inches closer from each side)for a total of 10 inches closer together.
at the earlier locations my soundstage was quite diffuse.....now images are full bodied and much less 'within the box'.....i am getting much more a sense of layering in the soundstage. i see 'around' the images as the images have depth and a sense of occupying actual space. kinda like how you are aware that other people are in the room with you.....a sense of real space.
the speakers completely disappear.
there is an immediacy and unveiled clarity that is different than how PCM digital presents flat 'cookie-cutter' sharp outlines of images and 'hyper-detail'. this is more of a 'jump factor' or 'goosebump' effect where you just 'know' it is real since you are hearing 15hz to 100khz (even though your ears don't 'hear' much of it those frequencies are a part of reality in this world) yet with a coherence and viceral energy that resembles reality.
my mid-bass bump around 125hz seems to have completely disappeared....which has uncovered much more detail, cleaner mids, and more articulate deep bass. the whole frequency range has 'cleaned up'. that great deep bass performance has improved.
moving the speakers closer to the rear wall has improved the micro and macro dynamic snap and swing.....my toes are tapping more and my body is engaged.
my previous hesitation regarding how the Kharmas compared to these VR9's has vanished. IN THIS ROOM THE KHARMAS ARE NOT CLOSE. in the mids the Kharma Midi Exquisites are very close to the VR9's, and not far away in the Highs......but overall the VR9's are on another level.
i am now able to appreciate the potential of these speakers, these amps, these sources......in this room. i cannot see where there are limitations. what i need now is objective visitors that can give me feedback on how things can improve. i need to measure what is happening with an RTA and keep pushing. and.....i need to go listen to some live acoustical music to give me the proper reference.
did i leave myself any wiggle-room?
i didn't think so.
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The song says...don't go changing...take your time.your inti ... Gregadd
Greg, you are sooo right, thanks. i expect it will be at le ... Mikelavigne
.....and not only that. this room/system does present some v ... Mikelavigne
Mike, with all of this dialing in, tuning in, rearranging, ... Thom_y
Lawrence, notice the time gaps between my posts. i am mostly ... Mikelavigne
Mike, you give a very accurate description of what a dedicat ... Gallant_diva
Mike, i don't know if anyone has brought this up to you befo ... Javaguy
Gallant diva, thanks. part of my particular challenge is tha ... Mikelavigne
Mike, in my system, the aural symphonics optimism v2 fiber g ... Javaguy
Mike: i thought i would wait until you were really happy wi ... Oahuan
Hi ron, thanks; i am really happy with what i'm now hearing ... Mikelavigne
I have never seen anything so spectacular. there are some n ... Nrchy
Nrchy; thanks for the kind words. i do consider my wife to b ... Mikelavigne
Mike where did you purchase that great looking chair Bigpapa
You have a nice vr9se speakers what happen to your kharma it ... Simplicitymusic
Hi mike - nice to read the progress you're making with your ... Skushino
Scott: mike is out of town, so since i know what he bought i ... Jtinn
Jtinn - thank you for the info. i really appreciate it! i ... Skushino
Hi scott, i'm back. as jtinn mentioned i have the phonic. th ... Mikelavigne
Hi mike- welcome back from vacation. thanks for sharing you ... Skushino
"the phonic is very easy to use and i quickly learned h ... Cinematic_systems
I'm interesting your chaise longe, where are you bay? and do ... neoscrew@
This is the room of all rooms!!! seriously my wet dream. how ... Jlind325is
Sorry for my absence and delay in responding/posting. ***i ... Mikelavigne
Ok, it's time. the speakers, the system, and the room are ab ... Mikelavigne
Hooper (andy), of course i know who you are.....i pay attent ... Mikelavigne
Fyi, my friend with the audio measuring gear didn't make it ... Mikelavigne
Mike, i truly appreciate this: not just your system which is ... Henryhk
Last night i brought home the gp rack but only had time to j ... Mikelavigne
Hi mike obviously, the vr9 is the best speaker for you at th ... blueguitar111@