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01-12-08
I use a modified squeezebox 2 to outboard dac. this device h ... Larryrx7
01-13-08
Trying top get up on this myself but was going suggest squee ... Chazzbo
01-12-08
Check out the other threads on this site about using macs as ... Rbstehno
01-13-08
Apple tv doesn't support airtunes, you would use the apple e ... 4est
01-13-08
On tuesday, a new version of appletv will be announced at ma ... Thymanst
01-13-08
Use an ipod touch to control a laptop with itunes driving ou ... Audioengr
01-13-08
Thanks for all the replies. i'm a little confused. 4est say ... Bbopman
01-14-08
You can use front row with your apple tv. if all you want is ... Rbstehno
01-14-08
I've never tried to stream a internet radio station - just m ... Thymanst
01-14-08
With regard to apple tv - one reason i went with sonos (trie ... Johnmcelfresh
01-14-08
You don't need a display with a mac mini and airport express ... Rbstehno
01-14-08
the sonos is an amplifier also{zp 100}. i use a sonos syste ... Streetdaddy
01-19-08
Thanks for the responses. has anyone thought about the new ... Bbopman
01-23-08
I wouldn't use time capsule for whole house repository unles ... Rbstehno
06-03-08
Another option for apple tv display is to use a small lcd mo ... Ejliu
06-05-08
I tried a mac mini, and i'm thinking of playing with apple t ... Johnmcelfresh
06-06-08
I can do the same thing with my ipod touch. i can be anywher ... Rbstehno
06-06-08
Thanks to all who replied. i ended up going the apple tv ro ... Bbopman
06-06-08
Get remote buddy for the touch from a company iospirit. it a ... Rbstehno
06-06-08
Thanks rbstehno. a point of clarification. will remote bud ... Bbopman
06-11-08
I don't think so. the apple tv is not a computer (unless you ... Rbstehno
06-11-08
Thanks rbstehno. maybe i am confused about remote buddy. m ... Bbopman
06-11-08
All you have to do is hookup the airport express next to you ... Rbstehno
06-11-08
Thanks rbstehno. i appreciate your reply. i have learned a ... Bbopman
06-26-08: Jkscherk
Is there any sonic advantage to AppleTV v. Squeezebox/Duet if you're feeding and external DAC? Does one setup have more reliability/stability when streaming over your network?
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06-26-08: Rbstehno
any of these devices will connect to an external dac but i wouldn't connect straight from any of these devices to an external dac without going thru a jitter reduction/eliminator device. apple tv gives you much more functionality than the squeezebox (video), but for audio only, both units give you the option of using analog outputs to a receiver/preamp or using the toslink to a jitter device/dac and the squeezebox adds a coax output which is normally preferred connection if going straight to an external dac.
apple tv allows wireless 802.11n and the squeezebox uses 802.11g, the apple tv can network up to 300mbps vs squeezebox 54mbps, and the wireless coverage using 802.11n is much wider.
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06-26-08: Macdadtexas
I love my Apple TV. I haven't thought about cleaning up the signal, but it's so convenient for the second zone of my house and playing compilations, it's also the reason I haven't bought a BluRay player yet. The firmware/software upgrades they continue to make, lead me to assume I won't need to ever get a BluRay player to enjoy HD movies.
So what is the suggestion for a DAC/Jitter reducer for this?
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06-27-08: Rbstehno
there are many: audio alchemy dti, monarchy audio dip, genesis digital lens, and others. then you go into a good external dac with either a digital coax or toslink cable (stay away from usb dacs) and you will be on your way to a nice sounding setup.
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06-27-08: Jimlb
I have an Apple TV loaded with 3000 lossless songs going into a TADAC with a Wireworld toslink cable and the sound is great. The TADAC (Tube Dac/Preamp) runs into my Wyred for Sound power amp. I'm sure an anti jitter device would help but this is the best sound I have ever had. PS Audio will be coming out with a new version of the Digital Lens later this year for $1000, and I intend to pick one up. But the truth is the sound is already excellent. I am using my 50 inch plasma as my monitor although I had considered the small computer monitor previously suggested. But I was able to put 2000 pictures on my Apple TV that I had got from Webshots, so it is really great to have the music on and the Apple TV showing the pictures at the same time.
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06-28-08: Drbe
Most of the jitter reduction products are using 90's digital technology and are a bit long in the tooth for use with data extracted CD's ... "computer audio". I have owned or tried just about every one of these products that have come down the pipe, and IMNSHO, they are mere toys when compared to the latest development from Empirical Audio called the Pace Car.
I have been using a Pace Car for about 1 year now, it is set up for Airport Express and Apple TV. (See Empirical Audio's website for details). The sound is nothing short of astonishing, right up there with my Reel to Reel and Analog Rig! With the use of Computer Audio & Pace Car, CD spinners are now left in the dust!!! (My $5K transport is now relegated to ballast duty on my rack).
This is ironic, because up until a year ago when the Pace Car arrived, I was of the strong opinion that my highly modified transport and DAC was superior to any flavor of the "computer audio" digital solutions. While I have softened my stance in light of a few recent USB devices that sound quite excellent. IMHO my Pace Car & DAC deliver more resolution to my ear/brain interface than even the latest greatest USB Dac's.
For more "digital" perspective, I am also of the opinion that you rip and playback digital music files in their native language. If they are recorded at 44/16, leave them alone, rip the file and play it back at 44/16. In other words don't use any sort of lossless ripping or upsampling of the files on playback. The less you mess with the data … the better it sounds!
Take from this what you will but "perfect sound forever" has finally arrived ... that is once you properly dispose of "the plastic" from your CD's!!!!!
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07-01-08: Rbstehno
drbe, i wouldn't call all jitter devices outside of the pace car mere toys. its cool if you like your pace car, but don't put everything else down. i could easily say the genesis digital lens blows away the pace car, but i won't. it's all a matter of opinion. also, when you state most jitter devices are using 90's technology, you need to state your proof? some of the companies were making these devices in the 80's, 90's, and even in business today and some devices are better than others. as for your $5k transport, you need to state what transport you have/had to get a perspective on how the 2 compare. i think we will be working on perfecting the source equipment for many years to come so i don't think we have the perfect anything yet.
i do agree with some of your statements that a good music server setup (jitter device, external dacs with coax or aes or glass inputs with good quality cables) can equal or better most of the cd players out there.
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07-01-08: Audioengr
Rbstehno - drbe is quite correct that the clocks used in these older devices are just not up to the standards of more modern clocks. The jitter is much lower in both recent monolothic SMT oscillators and in modules like the Superclock4. There was not even a Superclock1 existing when the Big Ben was designed. I've modded the Big Ben BTW to install Superclock and other mods (as well as the Monarchy DIP), so I'm familiar with it.
Steve N.
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07-01-08: Cubbie5150
I took a look at the Pace Car webpage, and maybe I'm dumb (very possible), but I cant' figure out which iteration I'd need to connect my Apple Tv (via optical cable) > Pace Car > DAC (preferably via digital coax; I've ordered a Cullen modified PS Audio DL 3 DAC). The page references Airtunes, but not ATV (from my recollection). Even though the DL 3 supposedly "re-clocks", I know I'm also interested in PS Audios Digital Lens when it gets released.
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07-01-08: Audioengr
Cubbie5150 - to answer your question, the AirPort Express and the Apple TV are handled the same. The Pace-Car is "tuned" to both. In fact most of the AE's and Apple TV's both work with the same tuning, but there is an exception once in a while that needs a different tuning.
Steve N.
Empirical Audio
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07-24-08: Richard_lin
Has anyone seriously compared AppleTV's digital vs analog output? I am pretty happy with AppleTV's analog output so far. Here's my equipment:
Amp: NAD M3 integrated amp: a wonderful piece of equipment, built like a tank with enough, but not too many, features to be flexible. The NAD replaced my Cary SLI-80 Signature a few months ago. Before the Cary, I had the Plinius 8200.
Speakers: Diapason Adamantes III (very nice mini monitors from Italy). Speaker cables are 10 gauge no name cables.
Sub: Von Schweiker VR-S1 powered sub.
My other digital source: Denon DVD-3910, analog section upgraded by Roger Sheker. Interconnects are Signal Cable Silver Resolution.
The AppleTV audio output is fed into the amp via AppleTV's analog output. I use regular interconnects I dug out from my garage.
So how does the AppleTV sound compared to my Denon? The Denon might be a bit warmer sounding than the AppleTV, but the AppleTV sounded very detailed and lively. I can live very happily without touching the Denon much these days. The only time I needed the Denon was when I needed to play SACD or DVD-Audio discs. Oh yeah, also when I watched DVD movies.
Oh, I can now control my music playing from any room using my new iPhone 3G.
Richard
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07-27-08: Drubin
PS Audio's latest newsletter has quite a good discussion of all of this. Paul is very high on the Apple TV controlled via the iPod Touch. Such a setup requires that your main iTunes library reside on another Mac, I believe. And you synch the ATV with that other library. Is this correct? With ATV, you can't add storage, so you are limited to the size of its internal hard drive as far as your accessible library is concerned, as I understand it. Bummer.
In the August TAS, Steven Stone's article on this subject contains the following statement: "Even the 160GB version [of Apple TV] is on the small side if you intend to assemble a library of more than 2500 uncompressed CDs." His math is off by a factor of 10. 160GB will hold closer to 250 CDs uncompressed or 400-500 with Apple Lossless, which is far too few. So how does one use Apple TV with a large CD collection?
And where was Editor Robert Harley when that egregious mistake slipped through?
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07-28-08: Rbstehno
drubin
i create smaller subsets called playlist. then i can sync to my different devices to these playlist depending on how big the devices are.
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07-28-08: Drubin
Let me pose this question to the group:
I want my iTunes workstation (where I rip CDs) to be a computer in another part
of the house from where my stereo is.
I know I can use SlimServer and the Slim Devices products as a way to interface
to my iTunes library. But what if I want the interface to be iTunes itself? I think
the iPod Touch is the answer. But If I use an iPod Touch to access the iTunes
workstation on the network, what's the best way to get the music to stream to
my stereo? Airport Express near the stereo, right? But is this solution going to
get me the best sound, or will I get better results if I find a way to co-locate the
iTunes computer (or some computer, or Apple TV) with the stereo?
I hope this all makes sense. These topology issues drive me nuts!
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07-28-08: Bbopman
I have my iMac in one room connected wirelessly to an Airport Extreme base station. My music files (400GB, 1400 CD's, Apple Lossless) are in a hardrive attached to the iMac. I have an Apple TV connected to my HD television via HDMI cable, with the speakers in the TV turned off, and analogue audio output from the Apple TV routed into my Rogue preamp using Synergistic cables. I plan to either go with a DAC attached to the Apple TV via Toslink, or switch the Rougue out for a Benchmark DAC 1 Pre preamp.
As of this weekend, I can control the whole thing using an Apple iPod Touch with the newly released "Remote" application. I can also access Pandora by using a docking station connected to my second system with a mini to RCA cable.
All in all, I am very happy so far, and will be even more so once I get a DAC installed, although the RCA output is pretty good to my ears, as well as to others in this forum.
Good luck.
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07-28-08: Drubin
Bpopman, what is the relationship between the music files on the drive connected to your iMac and the Apple TV?
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07-28-08: Bbopman
Drubin: I am not sure I understand your question, but here is what I have done and it works fine. The Apple TV comes in two versions, one with a 40GB hard drive and the other with 160. If these capacities are sufficient, you can "sync" the Apple TV to your iTunes library and it essentially copies your music files over to the Apple TV (as duplcate files, so the originals are not affected). One can then play the files off the Apple TV without having the computer on (or so I am told).
In my case, because my music files were so much larger than the capacity of the Apple TV, I did't sync them. Instead, the Apple TV accesses the files on the HD attached to the iMac over the Wifi network which streams them to the Apple TV. The downside (not an issue for me) is that the iMac has to remain on.
I hope this answers your question and is of some help.
Regards and best of luck!
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07-28-08: Bbopman
PS: I have a question for the group as well: Has anyone tried to install the Apple TV without hooking it up to a HD television? I bought a second one over the weekend for my second system which dosn't have room for any sort of TV or monitor. Can I take the Apple TV out of my first stsyem ( i.e. unplug it and move it and still have it work when it is "reinstalled") and then take the new one and go through the usual installation procedure?
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07-28-08: Drubin
Bbopman -- thank you, you did answer my question. So you use the Apple TV for streaming instead of storing your music library. Is there an advantage to using it in that way compared to using the less-expensive Airport Express?
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07-28-08: Bbopman
I like using the Apple TV for a number of reasons. In my main rig where I also have a 60" Sony LCD TV, I can view my photographs from iPhoto as well as YouTube. There are some very cool older TV spots featuring jazz and blues greats. The screen saver feature can be set to either show your photos or your album covers floating radnomly in space. I haven't used Airport Express, but as I understand it, even using the Touch to control it, you have a more limited ability to search your library. Using Apple TV, you can search genres and songs as wells as artists and albums which I can't seem to do using Touch. Maybe I just haven't worked through it completely though since I only bought the Touch on Saturday. I haven't used it to rent movies, but that is an option also. Since I am only streaming, I went with the 40 GB model which is only about $229. I plan to continue to mainly use the remote that came with the Apple TV.
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07-28-08: Mr_bill
Bbopman,
Are you tuning in to Pandora on your ITouch and then docking the ITouch to play Pandora through your system?
I didn't quite understand that part and am interested.
Thanks.
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07-28-08: Bbopman
That's the way it's working. I downloaded the Pandora software application from the iTunes store. I already had a Pandora account set up, so the Touch instantly accessed the account. I tune in the station I want to listen to, stick the Touch in the dock and its good to go. I had been struggling thinking I needed to go with Squeezebox or Sonos in order to get Pandora, which I love. Maybe not the best fidelity, but it's probably no worse that a stock Squeezebox or Sonos.
If anyone else has any ideas about how to do this, I would be very interested. I've thought about an Airport Express. If I understand it, it streams whatever is playing on your computer, so I guess one could use the Touch to access the main computer and direct the stream to an AE. Any other ideas?
Thanks
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07-28-08: Mr_bill
I'd love to know if you can tune in an Itouch to Pandora and then place it in a Wadia iTransport and pass the digital signal to an external dac. Anyone know if this would work or could give this a try?
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07-29-08: Ejliu
For AppleTV,
If you don't have a TV in the room, another option is hook up a small 19" LCD monitor with DVI input. Just need a short HDMI-> DVI cable.
For external storage, it's possible to hook up a larger drive directly to AppleTV but it will require some hacking. I think it's actually better to have that noisy drive elsewhere in the house. A 1TB drive is only $150-$200. Put 2-4 in a cheap PC acting as RAID server running itune and you are all set. Yes AppleTV also works with PC based Itune.
160 GB -> ~400 CDs. 2 TB for ~$600 -> ~5000 CDs. Should be big enough for most people.
So figure about $250 for Apple TV and another $600 for an older PC w/ RAID connections. Add a monitor for $150. There is a music server for 5000 CDs for less than $1000.
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08-17-08: Bbopman
Just a quick FYI. There is a very good article on using the Apple TV as a music server in the July, 2008 newsletter found on the PS Audio web site. I hope this is helpful to those getting started. It pretty much sums up what has been discussed in this thread.
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11-04-08: Frederick21
For those that have Sonos, there's now a controller app for iTouch / iPhone. Simply simple and killer. I'll be sitting in my living room listening to my music while you continue to discuss airport / mini setups!
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12-05-08: Realsound
Just wanted to let everyone know that my Apple TV will stream itunes radio very easily - and it sounds pretty good if I select a high bitstream radio station. To stream itunes radio, just create a playlist folder for itunes radio, then just click on a radio station and drag it into your playlist folder in itunes, (or just click and drag a radio station under the Playlist section).
Then go into the Apple TV settings > general > reset settings (not factory restore). Once it's reset go into Music > My Music > Playlists , and the Apple TV menu will show your itunes radio playlist folder containing your preselected radio stations.
Also, I can shut down my imac computer and the music still continues playing !
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12-05-08: Gsherwood53
Cannot discuss Apple TV or Mini, but I have the Sonos System (for 2 weeks) and love it.
I have a Cullen modded SONOS ZP90 and Bridge driving a Northstar DAC into my 2-ch audio system. I use iTunes on my HP PC to rip and organize CD tracks (all in ALAC), and an Apple iTouch or my PC as controllers for the SONOS music server. I use a ReadyNV+ NAS for track storage.
The advantage of the Cullen mod is that it produces an audiophile-quality digital bit stream from the ZP90 where the stock unit does not have a high quality clock.
The output is as good or better that my MF A5 or Marantz SA11S1 CDP's. The convenience is terrific.
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