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  why do we argue?
I suppose it's human nature?

Not everyone can get along,at least all of the time.

Squablles occur in the best of families,sometimes over big issues, sometimes over small ones.

So why should the audio "family" be any different?

Some forums have gone to great pains to cleanse their sites and free them from confrontations between audiophiles who can't see eye to eye, or perhaps we should say, ear to ear.

But where's the harm in all that squabbling? Really?

If someone finds it offensive, then why continue to read it, like a moth drawn to the flame,if you think it's going to harm you, don't enter.

No one is making you.

Then if you feel you have to post your objections to objectional comments(who made you the boss?)then you are not the solution ,you're just adding to the problem.

Like bringing gasoline to put out the fire.

You're going to be on one side or the other,or perhaps you are the "let's kiss and make up type" "can't we all be friends?"audiophile who has only everyone's best wishes at heart.

There's always a "mom" to come between two fighting brothers isn't there,and you know she can't take sides,calling a truce is her job.

But until the real issues have been addressed, the argument is never over.

It's always there under the surface,just waiting to boil over given half the chance.Power cords one day, fuses the next, and demagging lp's? Please!

It usually starts in audio forums when some chump posts that a piece of something that cost more than it should, made an improvement that someone who wasn't there to hear it says it didn't.

Get the gist?

I did it, I heard it, I was there,who are you to tell me I didn't hear it, and how dare you call me dillusional?That's the response to the first response from the folks who know it just can't be real.

Surely if I am half a man, I'll have to make some sort of reply.And reply to the reply and on and on again and again.

I'll have to try to proove that I heard what I heard, but you need scientific proof.

Obviously I can't provide any, I am a chump, not a scientist, I bought the snake oil didn't I?

So on and on it goes and intensifies until enough is enough and two or more members of the family are banished from the fold.

The community all the better for it, or so it tells itself.

But is it?

If everything in this hobby is scrutinized to the point that if there isn't a scientific white paper to back up the claims, how much of what we take for granted today would be lost to the audio community at large?

Zip cord,stock giveaway cords of all srtipe would be all that we would have.There'd be no equipment stands or various footers, no isolation devices of the electrical and mechanical persuasion,no spikes,no fancy metals,in short there would be no aftermarket anything.

It would be a 100% snake free world,a totalitarian utopia for the less than feeble minded audiophiles that there are so many of. Those foolish folks who thrive on fairy dust need to be saved from their own foolish and wasteful ways.

At least that's the way I've seen it from my perspective.

I know it's too late to save me.Salvation passed me by decades ago.
Lacee  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

06-10-12
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06-18-12   I prefer to call it debating.   Isochronism

06-18-12   Lacee - i see that you're asking the question sincerely, but ...   Bryoncunningham

06-19-12   Read jburidan's post. then read it again. that's all you nee ...   Dan_ed

06-19-12   "read jburidan's post. then read it again. that's all y ...   Mapman

06-19-12   I recall as a child listening to my mother and her male sibl ...   Mapman

06-19-12   Why do people want to get philosophical in a hobby forum? :- ...   Dan_ed

06-19-12   Why does it bother you, dan? bryon   Bryoncunningham

06-19-12   Why question?:-)   Unsound

06-19-12   As long as bryon and others are willing to spend the time to ...   Mapman

06-19-12   Mapman, quick, look in a mirror and make sure it remains the ...   Mt10425

06-19-12   Why?... it's a form of house cleaning for the mind. the more ...   Onemug

06-19-12   Arguing for the sake of argiung is a term i've heard before. ...   Lacee

06-19-12   Lacee, you're starting to annoy. many folks here have, in g ...   Mt10425

06-19-12   Lacee wins!   Polk432

06-19-12   Your statements about only those having personal experience ...   Onhwy61

06-20-12   You're right, bryon. i forgot this was "arguments" ...   Dan_ed

06-20-12   It is funny to watch how some get so serious, and others don ...   Dan_ed

06-20-12   i see, dan. i should lighten up. i shouldn't take things so ...   Bryoncunningham

06-20-12   Craving a banana......!   Mapman

06-20-12: Dan_ed
You guys are proving my point. There is not even a subject to this thread, and yet you want to argue when someone doesn't react the way you want.
Dan_ed  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


06-20-12   Just as arguments are another form of communication, being ' ...   Nonoise

06-20-12   No, i am not arguing even though that is the subject and we ...   Mapman

06-20-12   :-) i'm just going to pull out meaning of life and get all t ...   Dan_ed

06-20-12   sorry to argue the point, dan, but that's not what happened. ...   Bryoncunningham

06-20-12   We could always argue about whether cables make a sonic diff ...   Whart

06-20-12   Actually, dan wrote: "why do people want to get philos ...   Mapman

06-20-12   I saw this coming. oh, the power of suggestion.:-)   Unsound

06-21-12   Bryon, i apologize if i gave the impression of calling you o ...   Dan_ed

06-21-12   I have been making this observation for years re other relat ...   Frogman

06-21-12   Thank you, dan, for your apology. you are a gentleman. i too ...   Bryoncunningham

06-21-12   My intial reaction was that it was joking. but,i've elicite ...   Lacee

06-21-12   Consider the medium of argument. the internet has no feedba ...   Paulsax

06-21-12   "i've been called all sorts of stuff by folks that woul ...   Mapman

06-21-12   I kind of like the fact that on the internet, people are mor ...   Mapman

06-21-12   On an aside, i would like to thank the moderators who let us ...   Nonoise

06-21-12   I have read all the above posts with my usual erudite precis ...   Phaelon

06-21-12   Actually for me because i type so much slower than i think a ...   Mt10425

06-30-12   Well thanks one and all,all responses,whether they sided wit ...   Lacee

07-01-12   Say what??   Ebm

07-01-12   that which constitutes the ability to claim scientific pro ...   Ths364

07-01-12   So, the moral of the story is even crazy people can be right ...   Whart

07-02-12   Why do we argue? here's one reason . bryon   Bryoncunningham

07-02-12   Well, i guess if it boils down to two choices when someone s ...   Mapman

07-02-12   I read the thread bryon. but i think the pendulum is beginn ...   Lacee

07-02-12   "if they work for other ears that's great, but the only ...   Mapman

07-02-12   Lacee and mapman - good thoughts, and i thank you for sharin ...   Bryoncunningham

07-03-12   Can it be that this thread prompted this article? http://ww ...   Nonoise

07-03-12   Of course that writer labels himself a subjectivist and then ...   Mapman

07-03-12   From the concluding paragraph of the article at the link non ...   Almarg

07-03-12   Al, great point you make about the black and white nature o ...   Nonoise

07-03-12   Nonoise, agree that we all have our dark sides. the key is ...   Mapman

07-04-12   As al has already pointed out, goodwin’s article is a transp ...   Bryoncunningham

07-04-12   A great analysis, bryon, as usual! i think that one especia ...   Almarg

07-04-12   That was a succinct clarification of the technically correct ...   Photon46

07-04-12   It's quite the discipline to analyze a situation before spea ...   Nonoise

07-04-12   What i find ironic is that the objectionists,or the folks wh ...   Lacee

07-04-12   One is not likely to invest time and money in something they ...   Mapman

07-04-12   Boggs? did i say boggs instead of higgs boson? (higgs+boson= ...   Nonoise

07-04-12   Categories aside, no matter which side of the fence you sit ...   Nonoise

07-04-12   while there are certainly objectivists who fit this descript ...   Bryoncunningham

07-05-12   this is a point worth expanding upon. the difference between ...   Bryoncunningham

07-05-12   Bryon, this may be an example of "entrenched objectivi ...   Nonoise

07-05-12   Michael berry's comment got the newton/boy genius thing righ ...   Mapman

07-05-12   It would be interesting to see where our military falls on t ...   Nonoise

07-05-12   We argue because the alternative of pulling out a 45 and sil ...   Uru975

07-05-12   Quite the perspective there, uru975. you forgot to mention ...   Nonoise

07-05-12   great points once again, bryon, imo. re the first point, ...   Almarg

07-05-12   Al, i like and agree with your first point. externalities a ...   Nonoise

07-07-12   i agree. a certain amount of skepticism is healthy. but so i ...   Bryoncunningham

07-07-12   Cheap tweaks are always the best. a lot of the things i do, ...   Lacee


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