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03-19-12
"how important do you think measurements are?" im ... Mapman
03-19-12
I second mapman's comments. as i see it the main usefulness ... Almarg
03-19-12
Measurements are a beginning but they are not the end of the ... Uru975
03-19-12
Emotions and logic are two different contexts. perhaps both ... Stevecham
03-20-12
The froofaraw around stuff you cannot measure? the problem y ... Elizabeth
03-19-12
"the number of times that i and many others have referr ... Ahendler
03-19-12
if we spent more time listening than thinking we would be b ... Needfreestuff
03-19-12
And i will add that learning to read and understand measurem ... Roscoeiii
03-19-12
but others say there are things in high end audio that will ... Drew_eckhardt
03-20-12: Onhwy61
I think the original question and all the responses miss the central point of the modern audiophile pursuit. Despite audiophile claims to the contrary the science of of sound reproduction is extremely well understood, particularly if we're talking analog signals. Audiophiles focus on what sounds good, which has become more a function of marketing and mass psychology. As a group we have been indoctrinated and conditioned to think about sound quality in very specific patterns and a group of talented entrepreneurs are profiting by exploiting these patterns. The products we buy are luxury goods and marketing involved is well understood - product differentiation and market segmentation predominate.
Audiophiles have two fundamental challenges to their world view, musicians and engineers. Each group basically thinks we're delusional. To paraphrase comrade Marx, "who you gonna' believe, me or your lying ears?"
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03-20-12
"despite audiophile claims to the contrary the science ... Mapman
03-20-12
they won't tell you that the component will sound good, but ... Almarg
03-20-12
"audiophiles focus on what sounds good" of course ... Charles1dad
03-20-12
This is like rashomon. it is amazing how many differing poin ... Sabai
03-20-12
Regarding the example in the introduction regarding john atk ... Sabai
03-20-12
To me the best speakers give me an emotional connection to t ... Ahendler
03-20-12
"the final of the sibelius 2nd will give me goose bumps ... Mapman
03-20-12
In reply to charles1dad, good sound is a comparative thing. ... Onhwy61
03-20-12
Onhwy61, i honestly don`t get your point. when i attend con ... Charles1dad
03-20-12
No, marketing is not driving what i think sounds good. i may ... Grannyring
03-20-12
let me supplement my previous response with some specific ex ... Almarg
03-20-12
My brother, who's a professional audio engineer, recently ha ... Ngjockey
03-20-12
Al, i agree with your clear reasoned examples, they will cer ... Charles1dad
03-20-12
I like to refer to a statement from kevin voekes (sp?) of re ... Spinaker01
03-21-12
"i agree with your clear reasoned examples, they will c ... Mapman
03-21-12
Spinaker01, this is a very good point that you make: " ... Sabai
03-21-12
"the complete nature of the resulting sound still canno ... Charles1dad
03-21-12
And around and around we go. in all cases where ja didn't li ... Tbg
03-21-12
Onhwy61, you state: "we can trade opinions, but our bel ... Sabai
03-21-12
When i say marketing one of the concepts i'm referring to is ... Onhwy61
03-22-12
i'll admit the obvious: we can't know all that we don't kno ... Unsound
03-22-12
Tbg, i think you may have hit the nail on the head here: &qu ... Sabai
03-22-12
Onhwy61, you say "music and the emotions i bring to lis ... Sabai
03-22-12
I think one of the ineffable aspects of this is system syner ... Sabai
03-22-12
Tbg, i respectfully disagree. things like frequency response ... Unsound
03-22-12
Tbg, i feel the same as sabai, you really made a point. if a ... Charles1dad
03-22-12
Unsound, you are right, speaker frequency response and sensi ... Tbg
03-23-12
Tbg, how about an amplifier's dbw into impedance? or the pre ... Unsound
03-23-12
Sabai, what do you mean by the phrase "the essence of m ... Onhwy61
03-23-12
Tbg, what that tells you is that m fremer is either not sens ... Newbee
03-23-12
Newbee, i couldn't agree more. Unsound
03-23-12
Unsound, you say "things like frequency response and db ... Sabai
03-23-12
Unsound, i have certainly heard the impact of some of these, ... Tbg
03-23-12
Newbee, you make a heck of a lot of good points. don't you t ... Sabai
03-23-12
Newbee and unsound, i certainly would take no exception to y ... Tbg
03-23-12
Sabai, the problem with that is when its all said and done ... Newbee
03-24-12
For me, the ears must be the first guide, and are much more ... Learsfool
03-24-12
Newbee, you're absolutely right. you will rarely read a nega ... Sabai
03-24-12
Lol, while your choices are correct i do not think they are ... Newbee
03-24-12
Newbee, i have no idea what your lol means. so i will return ... Sabai
03-24-12
Newbee, you are right that listening entails tinkering with ... Tbg
03-24-12
Sabai, more than anything else i was laughing at my self for ... Newbee
03-25-12
An understanding of measurements does more than just disqual ... Unsound
03-25-12
Newbee, thanks for explaining. no problem. i agree with you ... Sabai
03-25-12
Unsound, the technical points you make are excellent and cle ... Sabai
03-25-12
Unsound, when measurements were added to reviews i applauded ... Tbg
03-26-12
tbg, you've already posted that you've found some speaker m ... Unsound
03-26-12
Unsound, i can hear frequency response and sense dispersion ... Tbg
04-21-12
I find this quote from kevin hayes of vac very interesting: ... Sabai
04-21-12
More from kevin hayes of vac: "during this time, [voic ... Sabai
04-21-12
And here is john dunlavy: "oh, no. listening comes late ... Sabai
04-21-12
More from johndunlavy: "so we try to get the greatest a ... Sabai
04-21-12
Finally, from john dunlavy: "so, to those who like to c ... Sabai
01-04-13
Albert einstein said it best in regarding technical scienti ... Audioman58
01-04-13
Audioman58, i think albert einstein knew what he was talking ... Sabai
01-04-13
I have always trusted ken c polhman and his measurements ove ... Jafant
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