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06-04-10
I'll take a chance at this, since i use the term "music ... Hellofidelity
06-04-10
In non-auditory terms baked potato rather than pringles pota ... Entrope
06-04-10
Since we started labeling, let me put my labels: "non- ... Kijanki
06-04-10
This should be interesting...like a gomez adam's train wreck ... Tvad
06-04-10
Tvad - absolutely agree, but being audiophile i like to anal ... Kijanki
06-04-10
Kijanki, that's precisely why i've reached the conclusion th ... Tvad
06-04-10
Musicality is one of the most important alities that are in ... Davt
06-04-10
A musical system will cause your foot to tap and you to thin ... Tomcy6
06-04-10
Tomcy6 i hear this mantra often "foot tapping music&qu ... Kijanki
06-04-10
Kijanki, i have no problem with anyone analyzing music or ge ... Tomcy6
06-05-10
Tomcy6 most often i just listen to music but sometimes i an ... Kijanki
06-05-10
I think musicality is whatever conveys the music experience ... Philjolet
06-05-10
This is great!!!! one of the best threads i've been part of ... Hellofidelity
06-05-10
It begins with the play button or the when the needle hits t ... Has2be
06-05-10: Sabai
I was happily surprised to wake up this morning to read all of the responses to the question that I posed to everyone yesterday. My question was leading in the direction of the importance of the inner person -- whose inner ear is undeniably "influenced" by the quality of the sound that his system is producing. Ultimately, where is the music located that we are appreciating? Is it coming from the system and the speakers? Is it in the air between the speaker and our ears? Or is it in our ears and our brains that receive the sounds? Or is it in all of these locations? My question was leading in the direction of the importance of the listener and how each of us hears what our systems produce. Ultimately, the music is inside each of us. Our ability to appreciate our music is a function of how musical WE are as well as the quality of our systems. I have a very old friend, Alex, who is now 85 years old. He was a jazz pianist and drummer and either knew or saw most of the greats of yesteryear. He saw Art Tatum in a small basement club in New York City. He introduced Stan Kenton on stage. Stan's kids used to play with his own kids. Alex's hearing is now quite impaired. He said to me recently that it would be a waste of money for him to upgrade his vintage Marantz/JBL system because he just can't hear the high frequencies anymore. But Alex and I spend afternoons listening to the old standards and watching the videos of the greats of years gone by and Alex still appreciates music as much as just about anyone I know, including my audiophile friends with modern systems. Musicality resides with the listener. The equipment resides on the shelf. We are all striving to create the best system we can. I certainly am with equipment from EMM and Marantz and Merlin Music and Audio Magic and Oyaide. But my own sense of musicality -- how I hear what my equipment produces and how much I appreciate what I hear -- is the ultimate determinant of how much I am able to appreciate what my equipment produces. We all like to A/B and do the best we can to upgrade and tweak our systems. But in the end we have to just lay back and enjoy the best sound that we are able to afford. We may not be able to afford the "perfect" system but we can enjoy what we have with a sense of musicality that is actually the most important component in our system. Are you "missing" something in your system? Most of us are "missing" something but if we have a strong sense of musicality then we are not "missing" anything at all because the music resides within our hearts.
Sabai
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06-05-10
Sabai - are you suggesting that musicians are better listene ... Kijanki
06-05-10
I don't like the term musical when it's applied to equipment ... Daverz
06-05-10: Sabai
Kijanki - I am not suggesting that at all. In fact, I agree with you completely. I have a good friend who is an excellent musician - a guitarist and singer. He has been performing professionally since the 1960s and has backed up many very well-known groups. I was surprised one day to discover that he is really not a very good listener at all when we got together to appreciate all the upgrades I had made to my system which I thought were quite impressive. He payed slight interest to the improved quality of sound that my system was producing and it seemed like the whole thing just passed him over. In fact my own musicianship was so mediocre that, after struggling with classical piano for 12 years, I threw in the towel - about 12 years before I should have. My piano teacher always used to tell me I should be a singer and I did in fact become a singer - accompanying the music that has emanated from the various systems I have owned over the years.
Sabai
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06-05-10
Musicality is simple to define for me. it means your system ... Grannyring
06-05-10
I'm on board with those who define the term to mean the disa ... Jax2
06-05-10
My personal and real world example: audiophile system - i g ... Banyon100
06-05-10
Musicality was either a) a late 60's or early 70's group th ... Uru975
06-05-10
I believe music can be experienced on as many different leve ... French_fries
06-05-10
An audio buddy once said to me long ago that someone with a ... Tonywinsc
06-05-10
Isn't it pace, rhythm, and timing? i'll add tonality to tha ... Elescher
06-05-10
short answer... it's magic. somewhat longer announcement.. ... Blindjim
06-05-10
"musicality" = a term used where there is no objec ... Musicnoise
06-05-10
on top of whatever electronics you arrive at, you gotta lik ... Edgejazz
06-05-10
Similar to what others have said: when a "system" ... Samhar
06-05-10
The degree to which any system sounds musical depends signif ... Tvad
06-05-10
"the degree to which any system sounds musical depends ... Philjolet
06-05-10
I can't define it but i know it when i hear it. (credit to ... Audiofeil
06-05-10
The term ‘musicality’ gets used in different ways by differe ... Bryoncunningham
06-05-10
Hear! hear!!! sorry i couldn't resist! Samhar
06-06-10
I am in agreement with byroncunningham! Samhar
06-06-10
The basis of music is the conveyance of emotion. when the so ... Bob_bundus
06-06-10
I was not going to enter into this discussion, and i am cert ... Learsfool
06-06-10
Learsfool - i've never said that musicians have worse or no ... Kijanki
06-06-10
You enjoy the music so much,you forget to focus on the syste ... Hifihvn
06-06-10
Bryoncunningham - good news: you can have cake and eat it ... Kijanki
06-06-10
It seems like your equipment joined in and is having a good ... Hifihvn
06-06-10
My system sounds better then some live events i have gone to ... Grannyring
06-06-10: Sabai
I think you have hit on a very important point, Learsfool, and so has Byroncunningham. Music is a whole, not a collection of parts or the sum of those parts. But musicians may be listening in a very different way. They may be able to appreciate a bad recording of a good performance in a way that others cannot. For many of us, if the recording is bad or the quality of the sound that our equipment produces is unimpressive or "problematic" (meaning harsh or veiled or another of the many problems that may detract from our ability to enjoy the music) then we will have a hard time calling that piece of music "musical". It does not speak to us. Which goes back to my original point that so much of what each of us perceives as being "musical" depends on the inner person and how he or she perceives musicality. For many of us here, purchasing equipment that we hope will improve the quality of sound makes a big difference to our enjoyment of the music. I know this makes a big difference for me for most of the music that I play. There is some music that I play that speaks to me no matter how bad the recording and no matter what equipment it is played on. But good quality recordings played on good equipment are such a pleasure to listen to that I cannot deny the importance of the improvements I have made to my system. I should preface my remarks by stating that I am not associated with any manufacturer or any dealer and have no friends in the trade. So my comments are my personal opinions only. I recently added Oyaide plugs to my system and they have made a world of difference. I used the "revealing" P-037 for the CDP and I found the sound resolved yet lacking -- it was "thin" and "lean". Then I added the "warm" P-079 to the amplifier and I now have a revealing AND warm sound emanating from my speakers with a much larger sound stage and a much "fuller" and more "musical" sound. So yes, for me the equipment I use makes a big contribution to the "musicality" of my system and my ability to enjoy the music. But without the inner sense of musicality I doubt all this would make any difference to me. I have friends over who enjoy music but not in the same way I do. Their response is "it sounds very nice" no matter what changes have been made to my system since their last visit. Musicality means different things to different people.
Sabai
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06-06-10
Musicnoise...lol! aside from that obvious statement... i've ... Tiggerfc
06-06-10: Sabai
Tiggerfc, you're as close to what I am saying as I am. Musicality, the music, is inside us. Getting lost in it and really enjoying the musical experience does not depend on the gear. But good gear sure can enhance the experience.
Sabai
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06-06-10
Based on my own experiences with musician friends and family ... Jax2
06-06-10
Sabai wrote in the op: i think sabai is right about this, ... Bryoncunningham
06-06-10
Jax 2, just love your posts, i wish that i had posted them m ... Newbee
06-06-10: Sabai
Byroncunningham, you make some very astute observations here. IMHO it is very important to differentiate between expertise and appreciation. It cannot be an a priori assumption that expertise necessarily means a greater sense of appreciation. The appreciation of an "expert" may be different from a "non-expert" but the former is not necessarily deeper or felt with greater intensity or sensitivity than by the latter. The appreciation of the "expert" may have a different perspective superimposed upon it because that is what happens when one becomes an "expert". There are meanings that emerge for "experts" that may not emerge for "non-experts". But not appreciating those "special meanings" that influence the "expert" does not mean that the experience of the "expert" is on higher level than that of the "non-expert". It simply means that they may be experiencing the music differently.
Sabai
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06-06-10
Appreciate is the wrong word. i think understand/comprehend ... Onhwy61
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