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06-04-10
I'll take a chance at this, since i use the term "music ... Hellofidelity
06-04-10
In non-auditory terms baked potato rather than pringles pota ... Entrope
06-04-10
Since we started labeling, let me put my labels: "non- ... Kijanki
06-04-10
This should be interesting...like a gomez adam's train wreck ... Tvad
06-04-10
Tvad - absolutely agree, but being audiophile i like to anal ... Kijanki
06-04-10
Kijanki, that's precisely why i've reached the conclusion th ... Tvad
06-04-10
Musicality is one of the most important alities that are in ... Davt
06-04-10
A musical system will cause your foot to tap and you to thin ... Tomcy6
06-04-10
Tomcy6 i hear this mantra often "foot tapping music&qu ... Kijanki
06-04-10
Kijanki, i have no problem with anyone analyzing music or ge ... Tomcy6
06-05-10
Tomcy6 most often i just listen to music but sometimes i an ... Kijanki
06-05-10
I think musicality is whatever conveys the music experience ... Philjolet
06-05-10
This is great!!!! one of the best threads i've been part of ... Hellofidelity
06-05-10
It begins with the play button or the when the needle hits t ... Has2be
06-05-10
I was happily surprised to wake up this morning to read all ... Sabai
06-05-10
Sabai - are you suggesting that musicians are better listene ... Kijanki
06-05-10
I don't like the term musical when it's applied to equipment ... Daverz
06-05-10
Kijanki - i am not suggesting that at all. in fact, i agree ... Sabai
06-05-10
Musicality is simple to define for me. it means your system ... Grannyring
06-05-10
I'm on board with those who define the term to mean the disa ... Jax2
06-05-10
My personal and real world example: audiophile system - i g ... Banyon100
06-05-10
Musicality was either a) a late 60's or early 70's group th ... Uru975
06-05-10
I believe music can be experienced on as many different leve ... French_fries
06-05-10
An audio buddy once said to me long ago that someone with a ... Tonywinsc
06-05-10
Isn't it pace, rhythm, and timing? i'll add tonality to tha ... Elescher
06-05-10
short answer... it's magic. somewhat longer announcement.. ... Blindjim
06-05-10
"musicality" = a term used where there is no objec ... Musicnoise
06-05-10
on top of whatever electronics you arrive at, you gotta lik ... Edgejazz
06-05-10
Similar to what others have said: when a "system" ... Samhar
06-05-10
The degree to which any system sounds musical depends signif ... Tvad
06-05-10
"the degree to which any system sounds musical depends ... Philjolet
06-05-10
I can't define it but i know it when i hear it. (credit to ... Audiofeil
06-05-10: Bryoncunningham
The term ‘musicality’ gets used in different ways by different audiophiles, but there is one usage that I find the most informative: A system is described as musical when the sound it produces is perceived by the listener as a GESTALT, rather than a collection of individual elements like resolution, tonal balance, imaging, and so on.
Of course, the likelihood of gestalt perception depends as much on the inclinations of the listener as it does the characteristics of the system. Some people seem naturally inclined to listen analytically, and some systems seem to promote that. Other people seem naturally inclined to listen holistically, and some systems seem to promote that. When a system tends to promote holistic listening, it is often described as “musical.” And that seems to me to be a useful enough adjective to have around.
Bryoncunningham (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
06-05-10
Hear! hear!!! sorry i couldn't resist! Samhar
06-06-10
I am in agreement with byroncunningham! Samhar
06-06-10
The basis of music is the conveyance of emotion. when the so ... Bob_bundus
06-06-10
I was not going to enter into this discussion, and i am cert ... Learsfool
06-06-10
Learsfool - i've never said that musicians have worse or no ... Kijanki
06-06-10
You enjoy the music so much,you forget to focus on the syste ... Hifihvn
06-06-10
Bryoncunningham - good news: you can have cake and eat it ... Kijanki
06-06-10
It seems like your equipment joined in and is having a good ... Hifihvn
06-06-10
My system sounds better then some live events i have gone to ... Grannyring
06-06-10
I think you have hit on a very important point, learsfool, a ... Sabai
06-06-10
Musicnoise...lol! aside from that obvious statement... i've ... Tiggerfc
06-06-10
Tiggerfc, you're as close to what i am saying as i am. music ... Sabai
06-06-10
Based on my own experiences with musician friends and family ... Jax2
06-06-10: Bryoncunningham
Sabai wrote in the OP:
Appreciating good music is not only a matter of how good your equipment is. It is a measure of how musical a person you are. Most people appreciate good music but some people are born more musical than others…
I think Sabai is right about this, and that the same thing could be said of appreciating novels, plays, movies, painting, or any other art form. Appreciation says as much about the appreciator as it does the thing appreciated. This raises the question:
Who are the best appreciators of an art form (in this case, music)?
One possible answer is that the best appreciators of an art form are the artists themselves. So musicians are the best appreciators of music, writers of writing, painters of painting, and so on. If that is true, then a person's APPRECIATION of an art form is directly proportional to his EXPERTISE with that art form. At least one poster, Kijanki, is extremely skeptical about this:
Are you suggesting that musicians are better listeners? Nothing can be further from the truth…Performers are not the best receivers of music, composers are not the best performers etc…
But Learsfool describes this statement as…
…completely absurd on the face of it. One cannot become a professional musician without VERY highly developed critical listening skills...
I think the conflict between Kijanki and Learsfool here is attributable to the fact that Kijanki is talking about listening APPRECIATION, and Learsfool is talking about listening EXPERTISE. That is an inherent ambiguity is the phrase “better listener” throughout this discussion. Here are the two possible interpretations:
1. Better listener = greater APPRECIATION.
...or...
2. Better listener = greater EXPERTISE.
I think that Learsfool is correct when he points out that professional musicians are better listeners in the sense that they have greater listening EXPERTISE than non-musicians. But I also think that Kijanki is correct when he points out that having greater listening expertise does not guarantee greater listening APPRECIATION.
I have expertise with an art form (not music), having spent nearly ten years devoted to it, and I can say from personal experience that the relationship between expertise and appreciation is not simple or linear. For example:
i. Expertise, particularly in its early stages, promotes analytic perception, which can be an obstacle to the appreciation of an art form. However, expertise, in its later stages, promotes holistic perception, which enhances the appreciation of an art form.
ii. Expertise raises a person’s standard for “good” art, which can be an obstacle to the appreciation of works that do not meet that personal standard. However, expertise, by raising a person’s standards for “good” art, can intensify a person’s appreciation of works that do meet that personal standard.
These are just two examples of how the relationship between expertise and appreciation is complicated, changing, and sometimes unpredictable. To be sure, artists know far more about their art form than others, but that knowledge can be both a blessing and a curse, when it comes to appreciation.
Bryoncunningham (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)
06-06-10
Jax 2, just love your posts, i wish that i had posted them m ... Newbee
06-06-10
Byroncunningham, you make some very astute observations here ... Sabai
06-06-10
Appreciate is the wrong word. i think understand/comprehend ... Onhwy61
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