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  Stereophile confirms new gear is getting worse....
It appears that "high end" audio gear is moving backwards rather than forwards. If you doubt this, take a look at the November 2003 issue and the test results of the electronics reviewed.

As a case in point, the Pass XA160 mono-block amps that were reviewed perform pretty horribly. While most folks that read these forums know that i'm not shy about being a fan of Nelson Pass' work, i don't have much good to say about these over-priced boat anchors. Most will probably remember what a hard time that i gave the PS Audio HCA-2. In effect, most of the comments that i made about that amp apply to this amp. From what i can tell, the comments that i made about the PS may not be strong enough as compared to how poorly the XA160's performed, especially at the price. Lack of current output, high distortion figures, non-linear frequency responses, the ability for the loudspeaker to modulate the output of the amp, etc... were all evident in the test results. To top it off, the input and output impedances will make this unit quite sensitive to the components ( preamp, speakers, etc...) that it is mated with.

Regardless of who's name is on this unit, how "pretty" it looks ( gorgeous ), what it weighs (200 lbs per monoblock) and the parts quality inside, quite honestly, this unit performed like a really crappy "vintage" ( read that as "low tech" ) tubed unit from the days prior to audio civilization. All this "eye candy" and a sore back for only $18K a pair !!!

As we move to the next product review, we look at the BAT VK-51SE. While this unit was more consistent than the Pass, some of the design choices made are obviously not good ones. The most obvious flaw that i see with this unit is that it changes sound / tonal balance as the volume is varied. Even when the gain control is adjusted for the flattest response, the top end starts sloping off gradually above 5 KHz. As you increase the gain, you now introduce low frequency roll-off into the equation also. If really standing on the throttle, the unit doesn't even make it down to 100 Hz within a -3 dB tolerance window !!! Obviously, this is not very good or linear and is poorer performance than one would expect out of a "reasonable" pair of speakers, NOT line level components !!!

As such, you can't expect consistent sonics from this unit unless you listen at one gain setting. If you have only one source component and all your recordings are of the same intensity, you "might" be able to find a reasonable setting. Since i highly doubt that this is the case, especially the part about consistent volume from recording to recording, you can pretty much count this out.

On top of the variations that this unit produces on its' own, one can introduce a whole new gang of variables into the equation once you start factoring in input / output impedances into the equation. I'll just say that this unit isn't going to be very versatile in terms of what components it mates up with in terms of amp selection. All this "high tech performance" for only $8500. Make that $9000 if you want the convenience of a remote.

Moving a few pages further, we run into the "giant killer" AH! Njoe Tjoeb ( pronounced "new tube" ) 4000 cd player. This is a highly modified / hot-rodded Marantz unit with tubes added, a "super clock" and the option of a "plug & play" upsampling board, fancy footers and an upgraded power cord. Depending on what you want to spend, the base unit is $700. If you go for the unit fully loaded with options, you can feel your bank account drained to the tune of about $1200.

Take one look at the frequency response of this unit and you'll see that it is far from "neutral". To top it off, distortions are higher along with a lack of suppression of AC harmonics. Jitter is pretty high for a unit with a "superclock" i.e. higher than other units i've seen with no "superclock". As such, this unit doesn't appear to be a "killer" of any type other than being able to "flatten your wallet in one swift motion".

Obviously, "high end" has come full circle. That is, it would appear that "audiophiles" are more concerned with asthaetics and reputation than actual performance and fidelity. The folks that used to laugh at Bang & Olufsen are now falling for looks at an even higher price. While the sonics may differ from Bang & Olufsen, the end result is that none of these units are "accurate" or capable of being called "high fidelity" units any more than Bang & Olufsen gear of yester-year was. The fact that B&O are now trying to jump back into "high end" with some truly innovative products just goes to show that one can't judge a company or product by its' cover any more.

Having said that, the above mentioned products can't really be called "Hi-Fi components". What they can be called are "flavoured audiophile toys". The funny thing is that J. Gordon Holt had commented on this type of situation arising within the industry and there are letters in this issue agreeing with that point of view. J. Peter Moncrieff also talked about that in IAR Hotline 76-80 quite a while back and found it rather pathetic. Count me in with that crowd too.

I do have to credit JA and the guys for having the guts to print these test results. While there is plenty of "dancing" in all of the reviews along with more than enough "gushing" ( the Pass review in specific ), it was pretty obvious that JA really DID make mention of the technical problems that each of these products displayed. As usual, Stereophile remains consistent in the fact that they continue to test, measure and display the results for all to see. For this, i offer a very hardy pat on the back, vigorous hand-clapping and whistling. THANK YOU from all of us that like reading and interpreting spec's for ourselves. Having said that, JA still tried to down-play these flaws somewhat by giving the "old soft shoe" at the end of his technical comments.

As i've said before, one has to buy and use what they like and makes them happy. With all of the various and BLATANT "flavouring" that is going on with audio gear nowadays, one really must know what they want and how well components will blend together in their system. It would appear that the days of trying to achieve "accuracy" and "musicality" with with each piece of gear are over. Now audio is kind of like Baskin-Robbins i.e. you've got to know what you like before you order what are VERY specific "flavours" for each product selected.

Let the buyer beware.... Sean
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PS... I've got my flame repellent armour on along with an oxygen tank and a full battery of weapons. After this post and the responses that i think i'll get, i know that i'll need all of that and maybe more : )
Sean  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

10-25-03
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11-17-03   Correct bass? real live bass is loud and forceful, not tight ...   Kkursula

11-17-03   Kkursula, you are both correct and incorrect. real live orch ...   Unsound

11-17-03   Sean, i'm not trying to intentionally ruffle feathers here, ...   Ultraviolet

11-17-03   ultraviolet you got it right on! even if they did frequent ...   Kkursula

11-18-03   Kkursula: low frequency characteristics of different instru ...   Sean

11-18-03   I agree with you sean. i'm also worked with a pro sound comp ...   Highend64

11-18-03   Kkursula, it seems you got what i was trying to say. it's q ...   Trelja

11-18-03   Hi all! the worst component of an audio system is the loudsp ...   Shubertmaniac

11-18-03   Ultraviolet, your referernce to photography is misplaced. wh ...   Unsound

11-18-03   Ultraviolet: i am not sure i know what you mean when you say ...   Zaikesman

11-18-03   To all of our supporters, acquaintances, friends and others ...   Pass_labs

11-18-03   Unsound, i don't quite follow your logic. i guess i would a ...   Ultraviolet

11-18-03   Zaikesman, i really like how you phrased that, "live ac ...   Ultraviolet

11-18-03   true and false statements (amplification gear): . 'new gea ...   Sony

11-18-03   From reading some of the above posts, it seems that certain ...   Onhwy61

11-18-03   Ultraviolet: now it is my turn to clarify myself. my commen ...   Zaikesman

11-19-03   Ultraviolet now it is my turn to clarify myself. my comment ...   Unsound

11-19-03   Being that the audiophile was not there at the original perf ...   Onhwy61

11-20-03   I realize that we are limited by the original recording and ...   Ultraviolet

11-20-03   Accuracy in audio reproduction is a fallacy. it is very easy ...   Viridian

02-11-04   I to agree on keeping the measurements sidebars in (ja has b ...   Clbeanz

02-19-04   At least if combined with a tank of acetylene one can perfor ...   Stevecham

02-22-04   Bottom line in audio is you dont always get what you pay for ...   Darrylhifi

02-26-04   Exhibit "a" to that would be stereophile march iss ...   Clbeanz

02-29-04   Cl: you are right on the money. take a gander as to the c ...   Sean

02-29-04   I have subscribed to stereophile since it was eight issues a ...   Nrchy

03-01-04   I love how john atkinson blows off sean's points, with such ...   Trelja

03-01-04   Flame on sean!as i read joels response to "open letter& ...   Clbeanz

03-01-04   Interesting stuff, this dialogue, both here, and the archive ...   Jax2

03-01-04   here's that thread from a while back by a'gon member " ...   Jax2

03-02-04   Marco, the writing that so many complained about was art's c ...   Trelja

03-02-04   Thanks trelja - i'll have to page through that issue again a ...   Jax2

03-03-04   Trelja: what leads you to conclude that amps in general have ...   Zaikesman

03-04-04   How are you doing, zaikesman? hope the tube exploration is ...   Trelja

03-04-04   I've got to agree with trelja. there's simply no reason for ...   Rlb61

03-04-04   The ability to drive low impedance loads is not the end all ...   Onhwy61

03-04-04   I'd have to say that i'd disagree that the economy of scale ...   Jax2

03-04-04   You present a valid argument, ohhwy61. however, i must disp ...   Trelja

03-04-04   Why do people only agree with stereophile when it says somet ...   Uppermidfi

03-04-04   Trelja: tubes are go, thanks for asking :-) about the amp t ...   Zaikesman

03-04-04   It's tough to take trelja's position seriously. i think he' ...   Onhwy61

03-05-04   Joe wasn't saying that the nad was sonically equivalent or b ...   Sean

03-05-04   I must confirm that this thread is not about the hovland per ...   Trelja

03-05-04   Uppermidfi: "why do people only agree with stereophile ...   Sean

03-05-04   You're not just a messenger, you're an advocate. you cite o ...   Onhwy61

03-05-04: Jax2
At the expense of being lumped into the "Whiner" category, I'd have to agree with Sean's point as well. I've got a stack of Stereophile issues from the past two years, and have subscribed, on and off, over many more years. I cannot recall any reviews where a product was panned. In fact, whenever negative points are brought up, it seems they are often quickly swept under the carpet by pointing out the positive merits all in the guise of presenting a 'balanced' review. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....hey kids, keep your eyes on the pretty colors and have s'more candy! Watch the funny sock-puppet dance and sing!.......Never mind that there no one has found any evidence of nuclear weapons production in Iraq, we got that evil bastard that was causing all the trouble....pay no mind to those bodies their shipping back, and those civillian corpses...just look at what it's done for our economy! Er, ah, I mean, we got the evil bastard who was causing all the trouble....hey, did you see my funny sockpuppet buddies?!" The popular media has always been driven by money and politics, and I don't believe Stereophile, or Car & Driver, or any other advertising-driven rag that reviews products is ever going to present an unbiased viewpoint that does not reflect a favor to those who pay their bills. Are all the products THAT good that not a one is a complete dud in comparision to what else is out there available for around the same price? Having heard a few duds, and knowing that my preferences, like anyone else, are highly subjective and have certain leanings toward particular kinds of music and the reproduction thereof, I truly doubt that a single publication reviewing all kinds of components in various price ranges cannot seem to find a dud among them. Perhaps they just choose not to review the duds, one might suggest. Well, I guess that's possible....keep your eyes on the sockpuppet. And what about that Sterophile rating system. Let's see, a rating system that chooses to put include an MP3 player among it's recommended components.....hmmm.......to me, listening to my music on an iPod is like attaching some ten-penny nails in place of the speakers on the headphones and wearing those for a few hours while the music was piped into my brain from an 8-Track in a 76' Gremlin. Kind of a Clockwork Orange scenario going on there if the music happened to be Ludwig Van. I had some hope when I read Art Dudley's review of, I think it was the Ayre CX7 CD Player........he didn't like it, and wasn't trying to hide the fact that he didn't like it, but alas, Ayre saved the day by pointing out he should have tried the balanced outputs, and of course that made all the difference. I don't doubt that it did perform as he claims. I was just looking for someone to prove my whole theory wrong (and I had every confidence that Dudley was my man by my enjoyment of his unrestrained editorials). At least it lead to a very conditional recommendation on the part of Dudley in the case of the CX7 (I think that was what it was anyway - sorry if I'm inaccurate there). That's the furthest I've seen any review go towards being construed as a remotely negative, and I must admit, I was really surprised to read even that.

Marco

Jax2  (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


03-05-04   Is the issue that high end has poor quality or that stereoph ...   Tbg

03-05-04   I believe it was in the most recent stereophile (same as the ...   Zaikesman

03-06-04   Despite your long track record of solid viewpoints, onhwy61, ...   Trelja

03-06-04   I don't want to keep repeating myself in this thread, so wil ...   Trelja

03-06-04   I can't defend or condemn what others have written in any of ...   Nrchy

03-06-04   I'm compelled to jump in here. by the way this is one of th ...   Stevecham

03-06-04   I see a total abandonment of logic in this thread. sean, yo ...   Ultraviolet

03-06-04   I don't know that 'logic' has much to do with it. nor 'accu ...   Jax2

03-06-04   Wait a minute, there is no such thing as accuracy when it co ...   Stevecham

03-06-04   This is a little ot, but perhaps of ancillary interest. . . ...   Jabenso

03-07-04   Rightly or wrongly, a bad review in stereophile can destroy ...   Onhwy61

03-07-04   That crown review was quite a big deal as i remember it. es ...   Drubin

03-07-04   Sean- regarding the stereophile confirmation that new gear ...   Kehut

03-07-04   Will catch up on this hot thread later.wanted to post this c ...   Clbeanz

03-08-04   Ultraviolet: each one of the systems that i have is very di ...   Sean

03-08-04   Just a point of defining our baselines for discussion (to wh ...   Zaikesman

03-09-04   Zaikesman: pass knows better and i think that they had a ma ...   Sean

03-09-04   While i have gone off on a negative tangent in this thread, ...   Trelja

03-09-04   Well i have not read this whole thread but a fair part of it ...   Clueless

03-09-04   The post below was taken from another thread . rather than ...   Sean

03-09-04   hi sean, would you please clarify your post above. which ...   Bright_star_audio

03-10-04   Barry: the company that you are involved with isn't one of ...   Sean

03-10-04   Hello? is anybody there? i have taken the liberty of mo ...   Stehno

03-10-04   While i admit that i more admire, concerning this one narrow ...   Zaikesman

03-10-04   Now manufacturer specs fall in line with loudspeaker effienc ...   Clbeanz

03-10-04   Maybe they should stop publish specs and just call it a &quo ...   S23chang

03-10-04   I don't even think it's a matter of which do you trust, your ...   Zaikesman


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