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  Speaker wire is it science or psychology
I have had the pleasure of working with several audio design engineers. Audio has been both a hobby and occupation for them. I know the engineer that taught Bob Carver how a transistor works. He keeps a file on silly HiFi fads. He like my other friends considers exotic speaker wire to be non-sense. What do you think? Does anyone have any nummeric or even theoretical information that defends the position that speaker wires sound different? I'm talking real science not just saying buzz words like dialectric, skin effect capacitance or inductance.
Stevemj  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

03-07-01
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03-07-01   Steve, your posts have been popping up on this subject alot ...   Metaphysics

03-07-01   Inductance and capacitance are not buzz words. they are real ...   Jostler3@

03-07-01   Psychology *is* a science. it's all in your mind, steven ;-)   Jim

03-07-01   Jim - lol you are correct, of course. my neighbor is a shrin ...   Stevemj

03-07-01   Cables are in series with any two components they connect. ...   Trelja

03-07-01   In my experience, folks who do not believe there are differe ...   Beemer

03-07-01   Allow me to tell you a short story, my non-audiophile friend ...   Tireguy

03-07-01   The topic has to be a troll, but please consider the writer' ...   Bob_bundus

03-07-01   Bob - have you noticed that no one, including you, has provi ...   Stevemj

03-07-01   Good post metaphysics; i barely know a capacitor from a dip ...   Garfish

03-07-01   Mtrycraft, is that you hiding behind the moniker of stevemj ...   Sean

03-07-01   They sound different because my "ears" tell me the ...   Charlie4350

03-07-01   They sound different because my "ears" tell me the ...   Charlie4350

03-08-01   I am going to need scientific proof that you can hear.   No_money

03-08-01   Sean - thank you for your post. i have a story to tell you. ...   Stevemj

03-08-01   Stevemj, i am interested to know, what is your system?   No_money

03-08-01   You know, i once paid a little visit to a well known and hig ...   Audiogod2@

03-08-01   Interesting post....but not intended to discover whether the ...   Adman@

03-08-01   This thread reminds me of the debates (turned ugly) from yea ...   Lak

03-08-01   Sean good note! agree that there are differences, though th ...   Adamanteus

03-08-01   I am always cynical. but 10 years ago i changed cables, i wa ...   Shubertmaniac

03-08-01   Steve, i recently initiated a post on blind listening tests ...   Dtittle

03-08-01   For a long time i considered that all wire was the same. my ...   Panzercat

03-08-01   I have tried several different cables and used my wife as a ...   Jpharris

03-08-01   It takes time to acclimate ones' self with the sonic attribu ...   Sean

03-08-01   Jeez, just find a way to listen to some different cables, de ...   Musicslug

03-08-01   Jpharris's post raises an interesting question: if you can ...   Paulwp

03-08-01   I think you neglected to read my post, if you think there ha ...   Trelja

03-08-01   I hear noteable, often stunning differences between cables a ...   Drubin

03-08-01   Paulwp: a wire really can affect frequency response. in fact ...   Jostler3@

03-08-01   Trelja: i've seen similar measurements, but they don't, by t ...   Jostler3@

03-08-01   See what i mean? jostler, there was no need. i said i hear ...   Paulwp

03-08-01   Paulwp: i agree that a boost is implausible, but i've seen f ...   Jostler3@

03-09-01   Jostler, the cable length for the 12 gauge vs 18 gauge need ...   Sean

03-09-01   Well, stating that psychology is science was such a reach i ...   Mcne

03-09-01   Frankly, the scientists have failed this hobby badly. why d ...   Redkiwi

03-09-01   Redkiwi: your ignorance is astounding. scientific theory nev ...   Jostler3@

03-09-01   Jostler - i keep asking for science. if you know of some phy ...   Stevemj

03-09-01   Wow! i keep seeing words typed but i just keep hearing blah ...   Mcne

03-09-01   Dirty pool, steve, you've changed the question. go back and ...   Jostler3@

03-09-01: Kasboot
I am an audioenthusiast and also in the field of medicine. There is a lot bad science out there and as far as I know there are NO Double Blinded, Placebo-Controlled studies comparing different cables. I am certainly not aware of any studies ( I do not mean scientific lab measurements; I mean studies involving a good sample size of listeners/audio enthusiasts). Ultimately what matters in the REAL world is how clables sound to the human ear and not what it's inductance or gauge size is. So If there are any Placebo-Controlled, Double-Blind Studies out there, I would love to know. Having said that, I use Cardas Golden Cross Interconnects. But I once had my wife help me decide on whether the Tara Labs Air 3 sounds different than the Radio Shack Gold Series ICs. She would switch the cables without me seeing or hearing what she was doing (I would go to another room)and then she would play me the same music....We did this over and over for about 1.5 hours, listening to Recent 20-bit CD recordings from Dave Brubeck and the Magnolia Soundtrack(not 20 bit if it matters to you). I would take notes each time I listened. But you know what at the end my notes proved that i liked the Radio Shack brand about 55% of the time and the Tara Labs 45% of the time. I had initially done the A/B comparison between these two cables myself (the worst possible study design: Study size=1 with Investigator Bias=Enormous). During my own A/Bing I had decided that the Tara Labs was FAR superior to the Radio Shack brand until me and my wife decided to make the design better if not ideal. So why did I choose the Cardas?.....It sounded better (whether I wanted it to sound better is another story, I probably did) I was never able to do a comparison between the Taras and the Cardas GC in this Single Blinded fashion....In order to really find out one needs at least a few hundred subjects of different ages from both sexes with different hearing abilities using the same revealing audio set up and then make the study at least a single blind study run by examiners who have no financial stake in the audio or cable industry. No one will fund it!
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03-09-01   Interesting you mention the radio shack cables. i have trie ...   Paulwp

03-09-01   Stevemj- "i am all ears". it appears that you are ...   Jcbtubes

03-10-01   Jostler3, perhaps if you read my post with a little care you ...   Redkiwi

03-10-01   Kasboot: i believe stereo review did just such a test many y ...   Jostler3@

03-10-01   Redkiwi: for my own edification, would you explain what is w ...   Jostler3@

03-10-01   Trelja - i would love to see your article. it must be very d ...   Stevemj

03-11-01   Steve, your beating a dead horse here, you will not convince ...   No_money

03-11-01   Both! some people ask, "it's just wire how could it ma ...   Bwhite

03-11-01   Jostler - come on, i started out giving people here credit f ...   Stevemj


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