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03-07-01
Steve, your posts have been popping up on this subject alot ... Metaphysics
03-07-01
Inductance and capacitance are not buzz words. they are real ... Jostler3@
03-07-01
Psychology *is* a science. it's all in your mind, steven ;-) Jim
03-07-01
Jim - lol you are correct, of course. my neighbor is a shrin ... Stevemj
03-07-01
Cables are in series with any two components they connect. ... Trelja
03-07-01
In my experience, folks who do not believe there are differe ... Beemer
03-07-01
Allow me to tell you a short story, my non-audiophile friend ... Tireguy
03-07-01
The topic has to be a troll, but please consider the writer' ... Bob_bundus
03-07-01
Bob - have you noticed that no one, including you, has provi ... Stevemj
03-07-01
Good post metaphysics; i barely know a capacitor from a dip ... Garfish
03-07-01
Mtrycraft, is that you hiding behind the moniker of stevemj ... Sean
03-07-01
They sound different because my "ears" tell me the ... Charlie4350
03-07-01
They sound different because my "ears" tell me the ... Charlie4350
03-08-01
I am going to need scientific proof that you can hear. No_money
03-08-01
Sean - thank you for your post. i have a story to tell you. ... Stevemj
03-08-01
Stevemj, i am interested to know, what is your system? No_money
03-08-01
You know, i once paid a little visit to a well known and hig ... Audiogod2@
03-08-01
Interesting post....but not intended to discover whether the ... Adman@
03-08-01
This thread reminds me of the debates (turned ugly) from yea ... Lak
03-08-01
Sean good note! agree that there are differences, though th ... Adamanteus
03-08-01
I am always cynical. but 10 years ago i changed cables, i wa ... Shubertmaniac
03-08-01
Steve, i recently initiated a post on blind listening tests ... Dtittle
03-08-01
For a long time i considered that all wire was the same. my ... Panzercat
03-08-01
I have tried several different cables and used my wife as a ... Jpharris
03-08-01: Sean
It takes time to acclimate ones' self with the sonic attributes of a system. Some differences are very subtle at best while others can be quite noticeable. Sticking someone into a room with an unknown quantity and then asking them to identify which is which is not a very accurate way to decipher if there is a subtle difference. It would be like asking someone to identify identical twins. While someone that was not familiar with them might not have a clue, those that are FAMILIAR with them would probably be able to identify them without a problem. It is the same with a well tuned and familiar audio system and specific passages of music. There are subtle "hints" that would and will give things away. IF the listener pays attention.
As to blind testing and ABX'ing, you guys keep forgetting about Moncrieff from IAR. He was able to verify whether there was or wasn't an "approved" ABX switchbox installed in the system, let alone wire or component changes. He did this with outside witnesses and had a 100% accuracy rate. While i'm not saying that i or anyone else could duplicate those listening feats, it obviously shows that it can be done.
By the way, the guy that built and designed the first ABX test box and started all of the hoopla is the guy that built and designed some of my preamps. His name is David Spiegel for the record. He now designs safety and security systems for monitoring Nuclear Power Plants.
I found the story about the RIAA circuit quite amusing. It sounds like gibberish, but it was quite amusing. I don't know of any design engineer that would work like that and keep his job in ANY field. Designing a component and then voicing it are different things. Trying to do both at the same time would typically result in an utter mess or take far too long to make the results worthwhile.
Do the test that i gave you with 18 gauge zip cord and 12 gauge zip. Put two speakers next to each other and place the system into mono mode using a reference quality recording for the source material. This will feed identical signals to the two speakers. Then swing your balance between the two speakers and tell me that there are NO sonic differences. A better method is to use an a-b switchbox so that you don't have the volume change as you rotate the balance, but not everyone has this capability. Don't bother wasting our time if YOU are not willing to back up your assertions. Why should we go out of our way to respond to your "troll" when you won't even investigate something with an open mind to begin with? If you think that your response is "psychologically tainted" because you know which wire is where, hide them as best as possible and ask your wife or one of your buddies that does not have a clue if they hear a difference. Tell them to be as specific as they can in terms of describing the differences IF there are any. Since you are the skeptic, i don't think that we have to worry about your placing preconcieved notions in their heads. Report back with the results and we can go from there.... Sean
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03-08-01
Jeez, just find a way to listen to some different cables, de ... Musicslug
03-08-01
Jpharris's post raises an interesting question: if you can ... Paulwp
03-08-01
I think you neglected to read my post, if you think there ha ... Trelja
03-08-01
I hear noteable, often stunning differences between cables a ... Drubin
03-08-01
Paulwp: a wire really can affect frequency response. in fact ... Jostler3@
03-08-01
Trelja: i've seen similar measurements, but they don't, by t ... Jostler3@
03-08-01
See what i mean? jostler, there was no need. i said i hear ... Paulwp
03-08-01
Paulwp: i agree that a boost is implausible, but i've seen f ... Jostler3@
03-09-01
Jostler, the cable length for the 12 gauge vs 18 gauge need ... Sean
03-09-01
Well, stating that psychology is science was such a reach i ... Mcne
03-09-01
Frankly, the scientists have failed this hobby badly. why d ... Redkiwi
03-09-01
Redkiwi: your ignorance is astounding. scientific theory nev ... Jostler3@
03-09-01
Jostler - i keep asking for science. if you know of some phy ... Stevemj
03-09-01
Wow! i keep seeing words typed but i just keep hearing blah ... Mcne
03-09-01
Dirty pool, steve, you've changed the question. go back and ... Jostler3@
03-09-01
I am an audioenthusiast and also in the field of medicine. t ... Kasboot
03-09-01
Interesting you mention the radio shack cables. i have trie ... Paulwp
03-09-01
Stevemj- "i am all ears". it appears that you are ... Jcbtubes
03-10-01
Jostler3, perhaps if you read my post with a little care you ... Redkiwi
03-10-01
Kasboot: i believe stereo review did just such a test many y ... Jostler3@
03-10-01
Redkiwi: for my own edification, would you explain what is w ... Jostler3@
03-10-01
Trelja - i would love to see your article. it must be very d ... Stevemj
03-11-01
Steve, your beating a dead horse here, you will not convince ... No_money
03-11-01
Both! some people ask, "it's just wire how could it ma ... Bwhite
03-11-01
Jostler - come on, i started out giving people here credit f ... Stevemj
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