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02-14-01
My total cable investment (retail) is almost as much as your ... Jadem6
02-14-01
Interesting question. for myself the cost for cable came to ... Onhwy61
02-14-01
Metaphysics- as for me, i think "it takes what it takes ... Jcbtubes
02-14-01
In my opinion, most of the cables on the market can be dupli ... Sean
02-14-01
Having recently gained new interest in "upgrading" ... Elizabeth
02-14-01
I am flabbergasted that anyone would say that the purchase o ... Cornfedboy
02-14-01
Cornfed, well put. Onhwy61
02-14-01
I think that's what they said about the shelby cobra : ) ... Sean
02-14-01
I'm with cornfed; the whole wire and power cord thing is the ... Dkuipers
02-14-01
I am in the same boat almost as the original poster. i've go ... Esylsten
02-14-01
If you guys are reading this it means you probably buy at le ... Weiserb
02-14-01
I have always heard 10%-20% of retail is a good pricerange t ... Timperry
02-14-01
Cornfed, that isn't quite what i ment to say. i was trying t ... Jadem6
02-15-01
Weiserb: let me introduce myself as "that electrical en ... Bob_bundus
02-15-01
First, i would like to thank metaphysics for starting this t ... Jerie
02-15-01
Glad to have stared this thread. the trend that i'm seeing ... Metaphysics
02-15-01
I think cable is one of the biggest(if not the biggest) ripo ... Trelja
02-15-01
Thahks, treljia. that is the exact kind of info i was looki ... Metaphysics
02-15-01
I have never done a comparison; i just buy what sounds good. ... Sugarbrie
02-15-01
I guess i mean $500 a pair personal limit like trelja. hey ... Sugarbrie
02-15-01
I guess i can recommend the siltech st-18 g3 intereconnects ... Sugarbrie
02-15-01
I agree that cables are the marked up more then any other pr ... Perfectimage
02-15-01
Metaphysics- i've done some of the comparisons that you aske ... Jcbtubes
02-15-01
I almost always agree with the comments submitted by trelja, ... Sdcampbell
02-15-01
Add another vote to those who spent 20% of their system's ms ... Fpeel
02-15-01
I forgot to mention in my previous post that the current iss ... Sdcampbell
02-15-01
I feel that speaker cables and interconnects should actually ... Almost_heaven
02-15-01
Sorry, sdcampbell- i agree with you about the need for adjus ... Jcbtubes
02-15-01
I run synergistic designer ref. on my components and iam ver ... Steven_kh@
02-15-01
Ok, if so many are convinced that very expensive cables are ... Metaphysics
02-15-01
One more point. we must also consider that although materia ... Metaphysics
02-15-01
I often find the prices of some of these cables to be incred ... Panzercat
02-15-01
Hey, what's wrong with the rating system? just tried to give ... Jcbtubes
02-15-01
I just did some quick calculations that showed i had about 1 ... Garfish
02-15-01
I agree with you garfish. you need competent wire and compe ... Redkiwi
02-16-01
My experience is that a specific cable might work like magic ... Sean
02-16-01: Trelja
I admit that the hyperexpensive cable can make a positive difference in certain situations. But, I want to stand up and say that to think these products are better in the vast majority of circumstances is asinine. To think so is to admit that to have bought in to the hype. The hype is the reason that the "free market" does not weed out these companies. And to look at things objectively, it is not only the sole reason for not only their existence, but the fact that these companies have flourished. Now becoming firmly entrenched. In fact, the business is so plentiful and lucrative, new cable companies crop up at an incredible rate. There is no good explanation for the cost of most of these products, with the exception of things like greed. I used to be a chemist, developing thick film materials for the high tech electronics industry(conductors, resistors, dielectrics, conformal coatings, etc.). Some of the companies we sold to are in the highest echelon of high end audio. We won awards every day from companies with household names that used our products to make their products successful. The price structure for Product A(a low cost silver-palladium based resistor line - 0.1/1.0/10.0 Ohm)was that Asian companies bought it for $0.40/gram, American/European companies were charged $4.00/gram, and the US government/military/US companies(yes, the same who bought it for commercial usage)using it in military applications paid $40.00/gram. Of course, each carried a different product number, complete with different product literature/specs. But, the material was all culled from the same production lots. The whole thing was obscene. The government knew, and didn't care. They thought it was funny, even. As a US taxpayer, you best believe I let them know about it. They laughed it off; as if I was telling them the sky was blue. The fact is that companies charge the going rate. Selling for less often loses you orders. Buyers often feel your product is inadequate. I would love to hear a good explanation regarding the electrical/material science/R&D/manufacturing reasons of why a copper interconnect would retail for over $500. And as Arthur Salvatore notes on his website, these cable companies do not even manufacture their products. They buy them for cents on the hundreds of dollars, and pass the product along to us. While I do not pretend that my sub $500 cable list will beat every cable, in every system, in every circumstance, for every audiophile, I submit that this list will compete with ANYTHING sold in this industry. This list should not be thought of as containing great budget alternatives to the great cables, but GREAT CABLES on their own merit. Equal to their more expensive brethren. My list today(products I have heard - I do hope others chime in with their nominations) includes AudioQuest's old line(I saw 1m Lapis go for $112.50 here on auction Wednesday night), Analysis Plus, Coincident, Goertz, HomeGrown Audio, Kimber Select(copper) and the KimberKable line, Musical Fidelity's Nu Vista line, Red Rose Music, and Silver Audio. And no my system does not retail for $50K. But I would also assert that I can build a $5K system(mine does cost much more than that) that is more satisfying than many a $50K system. That statement in itself will also raise the indignation of many.
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02-16-01
The best "budget" cable i have heard is transparen ... No_money
02-16-01
People who are willing and able to assemble audio systems wo ... Jostler3@
05-04-02
We are lucky to have a few new companies popping up that off ... Jm88439
09-02-02
I am guilty in this thread but i will say this once again, & ... The_kid
10-18-02
I'm with cornfed, ckuipers, and other experienced audio enth ... Muralman1
01-07-03
Cables are not an extra accesory you add later when you can ... Juicebox
01-08-03
Juicebox, buy whatever turns you on. don't go into debt doin ... Muralman1
01-08-03
The jerry springer show would be a great place to hold this ... Psychicanimal
01-09-03
The most perfect power cable is only as good as the romex in ... Rlips
01-17-03
Let me have my 15 minutes of fame. we live in a less than pe ... Resqueme
01-21-03
Just a few thoughts,if you are wanting to stop the noise loo ... Net225zx
02-02-03
Why should it matter how much you spend on cables, as long a ... Jmphotography
03-25-03
As a response to meta's question: "is there anybody usi ... Meisterkleef
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