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  Question About NORDOST cables
I got a pair of Red Dawn II speaker cables. I was really impressed by these cable; the speed, dynamics, vocals - it's transformed the sound of my system. unfortunately not all is good; the bass suffered from a major roll off, and to make matter worse it's also lost its definition. really bad.

if it wasn't for the bass I'd hit the jack pot with these cables. I really like what's done to the system. in fact, I just got a pair of Heimdall's IC's. there's a general improvement, and the bass has also improved a little, but I feel like there's some kind of imbalance between vocals and other instruments.

the Red Dawn has to go. that's clear.

what I'm not sure of is whether I should stay with Nordost, and upgrade to the Heimdall's speaker cables, or move to something else. I'd really like to get the Siltech 330L, but is out of my budget atm. I can get the Heimdall now, or wait until have enough funds for the 330L's.

I really could with some other opinions/thoughts on the matter.
many thanks,

Massimo

speakers: Paradigm S1v3(P-Be)
Youngatheart  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

02-07-12
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02-07-12   Actually, i'm really, really liking how the heimdall's ic's ...   Youngatheart

02-07-12   I am using the heimdall speaker cable with some degree of su ...   Kiwi_1282001

02-07-12   I don't know your system, but just my experience. my system ...   Ssglx

02-08-12   Try a pair of clear day shotguns. i am using them now for th ...   Dan_ed

02-08-12   Nordost has announced the series 2 for the norse lineup. wit ...   Xti16

02-08-12   Thanks guys for the replies - interesting info about my com ...   Youngatheart

02-08-12   I had a heimdall phono i/c which was used both for phono con ...   Mt10425

02-08-12   I don't recall exactly why nordost is not making bi-wire any ...   Xti16

02-08-12   I'll add that though i like the blue heaven speaker cables, ...   Ssglx

02-09-12   Half off pricing definitely points to nordost trying to dump ...   Ptmconsulting

02-09-12   @xti16 - are you saying that i should get a single run inste ...   Youngatheart

02-09-12   Ok, just to give an update on this - just spoke with music d ...   Youngatheart

02-10-12   Youngatheart - remember the frey's are even better - but mar ...   Xti16

02-10-12   Bi-wire or not has been hashed over time and time again http ...   Xti16

02-10-12   sorry, by a single run i meant a single pair, instead of bi ...   Youngatheart

02-10-12   Why not risk nothing and try anti-cables. if they don't wor ...   Stringreen

02-11-12   A pair of 2 meter frey's for 675. dude the retail was 2500 f ...   Xti16

02-17-12   Youngatheart...who did you talk with about the freys? at $67 ...   Orelayer

02-18-12   Jan @ music direct 3127385006   Youngatheart

02-18-12   I just called music direct. i think you got your pricing or ...   Joncourage

02-19-12   1350 is for bi-wire. i asked for a single run pair. now yo ...   Youngatheart

02-19-12   Ok i'll try this again. i guess the mods didn't like what i ...   Xti16

02-19-12   675 is half the 1350. i think you have a single cable coming ...   Xti16

02-20-12   Xti16, omg you are indeed correct. i cannot believe they wer ...   Youngatheart

02-20-12   I'm sure the heimdall will sound great. when i can find a s ...   Joncourage

02-21-12   Heimdall is a great cable in my experience and i doubt you w ...   Mike60

02-21-12   Like i said earlier "the heimdall is the best bang for ...   Xti16

03-03-12   Received the cables a couple of days ago, so these are sort ...   Youngatheart

03-03-12   The new series2 nordost frey's have a lot more bass and are ...   Xti16

03-03-12   That's good news (to my wallet dismay); 10% is not too bad - ...   Youngatheart

03-03-12   Youngatheart, i think the marketing hype is getting to you a ...   Daveyf

03-04-12   Well, if i could afford two separate runs that would be my c ...   Youngatheart

03-04-12   Nordost claim you get better performance by using single wir ...   Agisthos

03-04-12: Xti16
Youngatheart - Yes the series2 is warmer sounding. To my ears when you have more bass and a more liquid sound I consider that warmer. As far as the originals to me they do have more 'air' between the instruments and vocals with a little more detail. Now to me I call that less liquid sounding. Both are great cables but they very different sounding. More different than going from RD to Heimdall.
Daveyf
Could it be that they were spending more labor on creating the bi-wire end and were not getting compensated for it. As I recall, the cost of the shotgun (single wire...they shouldn't get away with calling it shotgun as it isn't) was the same as the bi-wire ends. Does my theory make sense to everyone?
The cost difference is ONE pair of connectors at one end of the cable and the labor to put them on.

I do agree Nordost calls their bi-wire and shotgun incorrectly. A true bi-wire is 2 separate runs of cables. Many cable companies also refer to that as shotgun. Now if you look at the construction of the original Heimdalls there is 4 groups of conductors. The series2 have 2 groups of conductors. There are less conductors in the series2 but they are a larger awg wires. Heimdall originals have twenty four 24awg wires where the series2 have eighteen 22awg wires. The overall effective gauge stays the same. The Frey2 OTOH has twenty two 22awg wires where the originals have twenty four 24awg wires so the overall effective goes up by 1 with the series2.
home.hiwaay
Is there marketing hype? I'm sure there is in a lot of cases but you really have to compare the originals to the series2 side by side.

As far as Nordost not making 'bi-wire' cables I'm sure it will cost them some business and I can not believe a company would do that without good cause. IMO it can't be to force you into buying 2 sets of cables because of the double cost to the consumer. As far as I can tell they still offer bi-wire in the Vahalla and Odin BUT not in the Leif or Norse2 series.

Xti16  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)


03-04-12   Xtil6, you are right, it's one pair of connectors at one end ...   Daveyf


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