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  Which cables go with what?????
I never fails to amaze me, the questions people ask on this forum, always trying to find some synergy between cables and their components/speakers.

The fact is: there are two classes of cables:
1) Those that are neutral
2) Those that impose a sonic signature (tone controls of a sort)

If the average audiophile spent his time trying to weed-out the tone control cables and get some neutral cables, then all that would be left is to determine the right synergy between his or her components. This may mean elimination of an offensive component, as painful as that sounds.

Component synergy is real. Amps and speaker combinations definitely need to be selected carefully. In some cases also preamp-amp synergies are important. If you are using tubes, then there are even more compatibility issues. But cables, forget it. If you are trying to compensate for a poor component or speaker design by using tone control cables, you will probably never be happy and likely compromise the sound of the other components in the process. You will certainly never approach a live or "master-tape" sound. There, that's my editorial. Hopefully some will learn from it.
Audioengr  (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

07-22-03
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07-22-03   Ok, which cables do you consider to be neutral?   Herman

07-22-03   How can you be sure a cable is neutral? the only was you co ...   Sugarbrie

07-22-03   All cables have colorations. you just have to decide which ...   Thsalmon

07-22-03   Some post in regards to cable and power cords amaze me also, ...   Sogood51

07-22-03   Audioengr, you have long exhibited a complete lack of unders ...   Nrchy

07-22-03   No such thing as neutral, especially when matching many part ...   Dekay

07-22-03   Sogood51, thanks for the laugh!   Unsound

07-22-03   Sogood: "i do expect to someday read a post where the ...   Dekay

07-22-03   I agree, forget the theory and try a bunch a cables to get t ...   Sonic_genius

07-22-03   Has getting as close to what you would think is the real thi ...   Abex

07-22-03   When *any* cable is introduced into a system, the signal pat ...   Thedautch

07-22-03   From the concise oxford dictionary, ninth edition "ign ...   Jeffloistarca

07-22-03   I disagree 100%. if you terminate most any cable with the ...   Sean

07-23-03   Boring [adj.] pron: /'bori[ng]/ 1. so lacking in interest as ...   Cornfedboy

07-23-03   "neutral" to the ear of an audio equipment designe ...   Gs5556

07-23-03   Cornfed: boring can sometimes be excellent (henning mankell ...   Dekay

07-23-03   Bravo audioengr! wished i had seen your post sooner. audioen ...   Ridgestreetaudio

07-23-03   Dude, where can i git meself a golden jalopy 1500?   Mezmo

07-23-03   Since we now have two cable manufacturers touting the same t ...   Sean

07-23-03   Well, my point and intention was more about philosophy than ...   Ridgestreetaudio

07-23-03   Throw the theory and other things aside, i totally agree wit ...   S23chang

07-23-03   What i can't understand is how someone like audioengr can sa ...   Sean

07-24-03   Nrchy wrote: "we have had these disagreements before wh ...   Audioengr

07-24-03   Sean - robert (of ridge street) and i have come to the same ...   Audioengr

07-24-03   Sean wrote: "what is being said here is that a cable ca ...   Audioengr

07-24-03   Audioengr: "no, what i said was that certain cables do ...   Sean

07-24-03   I suggest that this thread be deleted due to an overwhelming ...   Dekay

07-24-03   In response to the original post, cable differences go deepe ...   Flex

07-24-03   Sean, if i understand correctly, the bottom line and simplic ...   Ridgestreetaudio

07-24-03   ridgestreetaudio's way of making the "neutral" ...   S23chang

07-24-03   S23: since each component will influence the sound, both on ...   Sean

07-24-03   Sean, have you demonstrated the dynamic loading you describe ...   leme@

07-24-03   Hi guys. i'm packing for italy for a month, so didn't read t ...   Subaruguru

07-24-03   Flex wrote: "in response to the original post, cable di ...   Audioengr

07-24-03   Sean - what i do in my own reference system to eliminate mos ...   Audioengr

07-24-03   Keep at it audioengr. this is an area long overdue for both ...   Flex

07-24-03   Long before copernicus,mathematicians were trying to predict ...   Corona

07-24-03   If a 15 foot run of cable can be readily had from empirical, ...   leme@

07-24-03   Leme@lone.com, if you can build it they'll buy : )   S23chang

07-24-03   Am i the only one that finds this thread a little smelly? a ...   Nighthawk

07-24-03   Nighthawk: that was my point earlier on. these guys need de ...   Sonic_genius

07-24-03   Based on their posts here; maybe they don't have enough cust ...   Nrchy

07-24-03   Audioengr: the system that you've built and use for referen ...   Sean

07-25-03   If you don't like what you are reading then why are you here ...   Corona

07-25-03   Sean: maybe this will help; it took us three years to build ...   Corona

07-25-03: S23chang
Nrchy/Sonic_genius/Nighthawk: FIY, cable business is very hard to make a buck because lack of customers. Audio is a luxury hobby not neccessity. Many of them has a real job other than this hobby. However, they're very proud of what they design(or something they found) and they're trying to prove that their idea works.
exactly like Corona said
If you don't read this why you come?
and obviously there are some hidden secrets where you need to find out yourself otherwise they wouldn't be able to stay in business.

Sean is correct, I don't have equipment to test any of the DIY cables I built myself since I'm not in EE or a real hifi shop. I only work with a 99 cents plier, a radio shack twizzer and solder iron and a good set of ears : )
Btw, I did have ME degree more than a decade ago but I've never work in the ME field. I'm currently in CS field.

Here are some hints:
I have found that solid core gauge size has more sonic signature (based on the resonance frequency response) and insulation (vibration damping) and shielding (dielectric)has more influence in noise reduction. The electrical property (resistance and capacitance) will have greater influence on pace and rhythem (pace). The purity of the material (metallurgy) will increase the detail over all.

The statement above is based my own findings from DIY IC and speaker cables. I have not applied the above on AC cords yet.

For all the DIY folks, you can try to build the most suitable cable with above conclusion in mind and you'll be happy with the results or you should have a good idea of what type of cable you own and what needs to improve.

S23chang  (System | Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)


07-25-03   Audioengr's original post and replies to it like sean's cons ...   Flex

07-25-03   What a mess!   Psychicanimal

07-25-03   System synergy is dung? what about impedance matching betwee ...   Unsound

07-25-03   Lemme@lone wrote: "if a 15 foot run of cable can be rea ...   Audioengr


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