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  SUT shootout
Over the past six weeks I have had the chance to finish a SUT "shootout". I thought I would post my impressions.

My system config for the shoot-out consisted of the following:

TT: Nottingham 294
Tonearm: SME 312S
Cartridge: Koetsu Rosewood Signature Platinum & Benz Ebony
Preamp: Shindo Masetto
Amp: Atma-sphere S30 and Tube Audio Lab 300B
Speaker: Hawthorne Trio (Biamped Open Baffle Speaker)

Music listened to covered multiple genres (rock, jazz, classical) in both 33 and 45 rpm formats. Because of the different turn ratios of the products I used a SPL meter and tried to listen with volume at roughly 80-85db.

My subjective ranking is as follows:

1. Hashimoto HM-7
2. Auditorium 23 "Hommage"
3. Hashimoto HM-3
4. Modified EAR-834P (Upgraded parts and tubes)
5. Sowter
6. MC from Shindo Masetto (Lundahl based transformer)
7. Cinemag
8. Altec (DIY)

The good news is that all of the above are extremely musical. There were no poor performers. I think most people would be happy with any of these products on their own. It was only in direct comparison where some of the differences became apparent.

The top three (Auditorium Hommage and both Hashimoto's) were a notch above the rest because they had both huge soundstages and the ability to dig deep into the music in regards to detail. The Hashmito HM-7 and Auditorium further distinquished themselves from the HM-3 by being more nuanced and textured. The Koetsu's warm tone came across better with these top 2. The tone using the HM-3 was more neutral in character. In comparing the HM-7 to the Hommage, I felt the HM-7 had a slightly better ability to separate instruments in complex musical arrangements and had a slightly lower noise floor.

The EAR and Sowter were very good at showcasing detail and texture but the soundstage was smaller than the top 3.

The internal SUT from the Shindo preamp had the most unique sound of the group and was the toughest to grade. It had the lowest noise floor and really shined in certain types of music (intimate vocals or small scale jazz/chamber music). However, the soundstage of the Masetto (Lundahl) was the smallest of all the products and when it came to larger scale music (symphonies especially) it had a harder time separating instruments.

The Cinemag and Altec were, not suprisingly, extremely similar considering their common heritage. The soundstage was larger than the Shindo, Sowter and EAR but smaller than the Hashimoto's and Hommage. Where I felt they came up a little short was in the area of musical detail. Of these two products, I placed the Cinemag higher because I thought it was slightly quieter.

It is interesting to note that the pricing of the products ranged from a low of approximately $350 (Cinemag based SUT) to a high of roughly $5000 (Hommage). My "winner" (HM-7) is priced at approx $1600 for a finished product.

Finally, I am aware that the performance of the products in question may differ substantially with other cartridges and systems so my ranking is a subjective opinion within the paramaters of my system, room and musical tastes. None-the-less, I had a fun time doing it.
Sibelius  (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)

07-05-10
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07-05-10   i have a bob's devices sut, which uses cinemag and it is ...   Stanwal

07-05-10   ..just wondering how the lp compares to the koetsu   Stringreen

07-05-10   Great thread sibelius. thanks for sharing your findings. i ...   Fjn04

07-05-10   Stringreen: i prefer the koetsu to the benz. i love the tone ...   Sibelius

07-05-10   Interesting thread... how would you say a transformer differ ...   Onetwothreego

07-05-10   It's nice to see the cinemag keeping such good company. i a ...   Gadfly

07-05-10   Gadfly: the cinemag has nothing to be ashamed of. my second ...   Sibelius

07-06-10   Quick question on hashimoto hm-7. i actually have been think ...   Suteetat

07-06-10   A shoot-out with 8 suts and two cartridges without any menti ...   Dertonarm

07-06-10   Very true and well said dertonam.   Ldvalve

07-06-10   "finally, i am aware that the performance of the produc ...   Vinyljh

07-06-10   Dertonarm: the whole purpose of the "shootout" was ...   Sibelius

07-06-10   exactly right, and vinyljh only mentioned half the issues. a ...   Dougdeacon

07-06-10   Dougdeacon: i agree with you 100%. post was not meant to be ...   Sibelius

07-06-10   Sibelius: i am aware that this shoot-out's only purpose was ...   Dertonarm

07-06-10   Amen to the previous posts targeting the importance of the l ...   Doak

07-06-10   a question for doug, dertonearm, and the other experts who h ...   Almarg

07-07-10   Impedance match was the main factor in choosing the cinemags ...   Gadfly

07-07-10   Al, a few quibbles (it's what i do!)... no normal cutting l ...   Dougdeacon

07-07-10   Thanks, doug. a couple of clarifications to my previous pos ...   Almarg

07-07-10   It is always interesting to read about comparisons, but they ...   Syntax

07-07-10   All - points well taken. now that i've brushed myself off f ...   Sibelius

07-09-10   can someone tell me how to quantify soundstage or tell ...   Hiho

07-09-10   ok :-)   Syntax

07-09-10   Obviously hearing a wide soundstage from a mono recording wo ...   Dougdeacon

07-10-10   Dear hiho, as for soundstage dimensions in reproduced music ...   Dertonarm

07-24-10   When we made a phonostage shootout last weekend comparing so ...   Thuchan

11-02-10   Cool thread, the subject of which i'm only just beginning to ...   Zaikesman

11-02-10: Doak
"Couldn't this experimentation be performed first with cheapie resistors to get into the ballpark, and once that's done then finish coming down the homestretch using fewer expensive ones?"

Yes!

Doak  (Answers | This Thread)


11-02-10   Hey sibelius, i still have your zu druids and they sound gre ...   Toufu

11-03-10   Largely based on sibelius' review, above, i recently purchas ...   Br3098

11-03-10   Toufu: i got my hashimoto sut's (hm-3, hm-7) thru choir aud ...   Sibelius

03-13-12   I also use a shindo preamp (giscours) and am wondering if si ...   Dr_john

03-14-12   I would like to append my response form 2010: i met bob sat ...   Br3098

03-14-12   Dr. john: hashimoto sut was plugged into mm connection of p ...   Sibelius

03-14-12   There is no correct load for any cartridge,nor agreement on ...   Rccc

03-15-12   i wonder to what degree the turns ratio effected this compa ...   Tobes

03-15-12   Tobes, when we did the direct comparison between the choir ...   Br3098

03-16-12   Thanks for the further info br. even though the gain of the ...   Tobes

03-16-12   Tobes, if you are (or will be) in southern california, give ...   Br3098

03-16-12   Imo, the blue cinemag is more extended than the hm-7. the hm ...   Sibelius

03-17-12   Br, thanks for the invite, but i'm located in australia - so ...   Tobes

03-18-12   Hey br2098, i'm in so cal and would love to hear the bob's s ...   Jcote

03-19-12   Jcote, i'm in thousand oaks. have the audiogonians restore ...   Br3098

03-19-12   Public announcement - i screwed up (again). the cinemag blu ...   Br3098

03-20-12   oh well, at least that makes the comparison to the hm3 more ...   Tobes


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