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  Upgrade from TW Acustic Raven AC-3 to what?
I have had the TW turntable (with 10" Da Vinci Grandezza arm and Grandezza cartridge) for two years. I have been happy with this TT and can live with it for a long time although i wish it wasn't as dark sounding, that the soundstage could be more spacious and the bass tighter. The upgrade bug in me is wondering for 50K ore thereabout, is there a TT that is superlative over the TW? One that would end my upgrading itch for the next 10 years?
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11-22-09
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11-22-09   Wow, first i have heard someone wanting more from this table ...   Jfrech

11-22-09   Its time for a lenco or a technics in a killer plinth. remem ...   Acoustat6

11-22-09   First off, let me state that i do not own a tw acustic raven ...   Stew3859

11-22-09: Alectiong
Hi Jfrech, good as the AC-3 may be, there must be room for improvement, otherwise TW wouldnt have come up with the Black Knight, which I haven't heard :). i will be interested to hear from people who have compared AC-3 and the Black Knight.
Hi Acoustat6, I haven't heard a "modern" DD turntable. Not sure about Lenco or Technics.
Hi Stew3859, in my 2 years with the TT, I have done plenty of tweaking with it. Besides the usual tracking force, VTA, loading, also tried different platforms, phono stage, cables, etc. Regardless of tweaks, the AC-3 is not neutral or utterly transparent. While it is voluptous, beautiful and ripe, it is dark sounding, which kind of reminds me of the Sonus faber Stradivari speakers. I wish it could image better too.

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11-22-09   Alectiong, i would heed stew3859's advice and suggest makin ...   Jazdoc

11-22-09   Well, unfortunately it is not the way to success (whatever t ...   Syntax

11-22-09   I guess you can try clearaudio. to some clearaudio tables s ...   Audiolui

11-22-09   Go for a micro seiki sx 8000 or sx 8000 ii. you will start w ...   Thuchan

11-22-09   What syntax wrote is the truth. "hi jfrech, good as th ...   Lewm

11-22-09   if you have the money to spend, i see no issue in going to ...   Downunder

11-22-09   The raven doesn't have to sound as dark as it looks (hello s ...   Solong

11-22-09   I have heard this table a few times and its not dark soundin ...   Nolitan

11-22-09   Walker, period. i believe every well healed audiophile shou ...   Breuninger

11-22-09   Peter, "well-healed" indeed. maybe after dropping ...   Lewm

11-22-09   I am sure you will end your upgrade itch with a walker prosc ...   Mistral

11-23-09   Go for the emt table....studio sound is the best!   Prcinka

11-23-09: Alectiong
Hi folks, thanks for comments and suggestions.
Hi Solong, i will try out your suggestion of using two motors instead of three.
Hi Breuninger, I have read hyperboles about the Walker, and might be hearing a well set up walker soon to form my opinions. However, the big air compressor is a turn off.
Alec

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11-23-09   Alectiong, you have not indicated what cartridge you are us ...   Elinor

11-23-09   Dear alectiong, no - it won't end your upgrade itch. not for ...   Dertonarm

11-23-09   I have heard the raven one, raven ac 3 and the black knight. ...   Mordante

11-23-09: Alectiong
Hi Elinor, tonearm is 10" davinci grandezza mated to a grandezza reference cartridge. Phono stage is Goldmund Ph3 set at 475ohm. Platform under the TT is a 35lb TAOC SCB platform. Linestage is a Vitus SL101. Amps are Karan 1200 monoblocks. Spkrs are Avalon Isis. ICs are Vitus Andromeda. Spkr cables are Crystal Ultra.
Alec

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11-23-09   Dear mordante, this "throwing money at audio isn't a ga ...   Dertonarm

11-23-09   I'd like to throw my 2 cents into this conversation. i own ...   Emailists

11-23-09   Dear alec: +++++ " although i wish it wasn't as dark so ...   Rauliruegas

11-23-09   Alec, great system. i would verify that it is a problem c ...   Glai

11-23-09   Most audiophiles have experiences, some have dreams (in a po ...   Syntax

11-23-09   Syntax agree, a cow is a cow and remains a cow but you can f ...   Thuchan

11-23-09   Dear thuchan: i agree with you in all your words. each one ...   Rauliruegas

11-24-09   Dear raul, dear thuchan, we hopefully learn from mistakes, w ...   Dertonarm

11-24-09: Alectiong
Hi all,
thanks for all your suggestions on tweaking it out before abandoning the AC-3. i am a great believer in tweaking (plus isolation). It is a trial and error thing and may eventually get it to sound closer to what i want, ie neutrality and transparency and great bass with soundstage and imaging to match. However, the curiosity in me would think careful tweaking would benefit all TTs also and again put them on same level playing field. So I think the cow vs racing horse analogy is valid. hence though i certainly would love to save a bundle by just tweaking it, my fundamental query still is, what other TTs out there would TRULY outclass the AC-3 sonically by a country mile that would make me end the upgrade itch for the next decade or more.. maybe my "retirement" TT. It seems TW Black Knight may not be the one.

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11-24-09   Hi alectiong, any of these tt's will bring you closer - if p ...   Dertonarm

11-24-09   Alectiong, since there seems to be a consensus that vibrapla ...   Lewm

11-24-09   i have oftem wondered at which point the law of diminishing ...   David12

11-24-09   Basis inspiration. dealer disclaimer.   Audiofeil

11-24-09   In high-end audio a fast and straight journey needs a really ...   Dertonarm

11-24-09   Just an example what is going on when you listen to analog: ...   Syntax

11-24-09   .... and sound pressure, building frequency - just to comple ...   Dertonarm

11-24-09   We all agree. we just may or may not agree on what is a cow ...   Lewm

11-24-09   Alectiong, i've heard the raven and really liked it at h ...   Sonofjim

11-25-09   Alec, with your budget, why not keep the acustic raven for n ...   Jj2468

11-25-09   Dear lewm, excellent point !! ** we just may or may not ag ...   Dertonarm

11-25-09   i know, i was born to suffer... (sic!)   Syntax

11-25-09   Hey syntax, poor man ..... "born to suffer" ...... ...   Dertonarm

11-25-09   Has anyone here compared the raven one to the raven ac-3 ? i ...   Nolitan

11-25-09   Dear dertonearm, understanding you correctly we have to sto ...   Thuchan

11-25-09   Well - solong can provide an astonishing amount of insight i ...   Dertonarm

11-25-09   Dertonearm, in the spirit of this discourse, you wrote " ...   Lewm

11-25-09   Dear lewm, i am not familiar with the saskia. there will be ...   Dertonarm

11-25-09   Hi, one method that has been used many times with belt and ...   Mosin

11-26-09   Hi mosin, to add inertia and by doing so increasing speed st ...   Dertonarm


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